New policy receives mixed reactions ---
*UPDATE* 12/7/2011 BYU-Idaho responds to testing center policy on skinny jeans
Trends come and go, but the skinny on BYU-Idaho’s most recent addition to the honor code shows one trend going more quickly than some students would like.
Students at Brigham Young University, Idaho recently encountered a new sign in the university’s testing center that read simply, “No skinny jeans.”
Courtesy Kirsten Hartsoch
The popular clothing item is something many students at Brigham Young University would not think twice about; however, it has become a somewhat polarizing issue at BYU’s Idahoan affiliate.
In a September question-and-answer session students and faculty, Advancement Vice President Henry J. Eyring was asked whether skinny jeans are in violation of the university’s honor code, which states that clothing should not be form-fitting.
“It’s useful for us to realize that fashions will come and go,” Eyring answered. “There will always be some tempting new style.”
But are skinny jeans the gateway style to more scandalous attire, or a legitimate clothing option with a bad rap?
“Skinny jeans are really form-fitting, like jeggings, which are technically leggings,” said BYU-Idaho student Rachel Taylor. “They show a lot of curves.”
Taylor said she knew of one student who had been asked to leave the university’s testing center because she was wearing skinny jeans.
“Some girls wear skinny jeans that are just too skinny … so they ask us not to wear them,” she said.
Other students disagree, though, saying the ban on skinny jeans goes too far.
“I think it is pretty ridiculous,” said BYU-Idaho student Zach Cooper. “We already aren’t allowed to wear shorts or flip-flops, so I wouldn’t be too surprised if they banned skinny jeans as well.”
“This school is crazy.”
Despite the alleged craziness, Cooper said he has come to accept the strict dress and grooming standards.
“It’s nice that everyone is dressing relatively nice,” he said. “At first I was rebellious … but I’ve adjusted and come to accept it. It’s not really a burden anymore.”
In fact, it can be helpful at times.
“Some girls are trying to wear skinny jeans three sizes too small — it’s a good idea to not wear them at all,” Taylor said.
668 comments
Jack says:
Dec 6, 2011
Here’s the thing, “skinny jeans” in the literal sense are not new. It’s a classic look that people keep rediscovering. I think BYU Idaho is just confused with jeggings or other ultra tight types of pants. A tapered pair of pants just looks so much better than the usual baggy lee dungarees or zip away pants with a matching american eagle hoody that is excruciatingly normal that seem to be most popular to this campus. For some reason, Idahoans deemed exceptionally tight pants as “skinny jeans”. I have been wearing skinny jeans to the testing center dozens of times with no complaint, they probably don’t even realize that they are in fact Levi 511 skinnies. BYU Idaho is so itchy to create new rules they are often too hasty in their wording, sometimes going well beyond what is needed in order to rest assured that no one will come close to breaking the intended rule. The problem comes when the over zealous start to look down on those who are certainly dressing modestly, but because of a term, in this case skinny jeans, they look down on or judge anyone with a sense of style. It also exacerbates the terrible terrible style that is prevalent on campus. I guess ill just start wearing jncos.
Luke says:
Dec 7, 2011
Give me form fitting pants or give me fashion suicide!!!!
Ashley says:
Dec 7, 2011
Thank you BYU-Idaho, for setting the image of the church back 10 years. As many news sources are picking up on this story it’s totally going to help the church during their campaign to make members of the church “normal.”
John says:
Dec 7, 2011
Ashley, are you being serious? Since when has the church cared about their image? The image they are setting now is that we keep the standards already set. This tight wearing apparel is not something new. It has been in the honor code for a long time. It is now just more prevalent.
Derek says:
Dec 7, 2011
Well said.
Dan says:
Dec 7, 2011
The Church cares a very great deal about its image. Why else broadcast the results of a survey that demonstrated 33% of U.S. citizens had a negative perception of the Church (see the 2008 study: http://rooneycenter.nd.edu/assets/16823/campbellmonsongreen_apsa2009_final.pdf) and THEN conscientiously craft a PR campaign to correct that (mis)perception: I am a Mormon (see http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/11/18/us/20111118_mormonads.html?ref=mormonschurchofjesuschristoflatterdaysaints).
More important, John, is that the Church Handbook of Instructions teaches that one of the justifiable reasons to excommunicate members is to preserve the good name/image of the Church.
I realize that this aside has little to do with skinny-jeans, but it’s important to remember that the Church is actively engaged in the good cause of making sure it has a positive image. It does, indeed, care about that image.
Lana says:
Dec 7, 2011
Our church started caring about their image when they wasted money on those, “I Am a Mormon” commercials. Who cares what religion anyone comes from?! That money could have been put to better use instead of having it spent on our image.
Jessica Renae says:
Dec 7, 2011
John, I would love to know how much money the church is spending right now on the “I’m a Mormon” campaign, which is very much a campaign to try and make our lifestyles appear more normal and palatable to others. Being that we are Christ’s church, and He was about BEING and not about image, a man of no apparent beauty, it is surprising our church cares so much, but we do.
Lari says:
Dec 7, 2011
“Since when has the church cared about their image?”
Since they spent millions of tithing dollars on the “I am a Mormon” campaign.
Laura says:
Dec 8, 2011
I think this situation is a great example of people, “car[ing] what religion anyone comes from.” The campaign is a missionary effort to help others realize that the LDS church is not a cult, but the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. Our church is being scrutinized meticulously, and it’ll only get worse. Think about it- would this skinny jean issue be a world wide issue had it been sanctioned by a Muslim school? By preserving the good name of the Church, we are preserving the good name of Jesus Christ at all times, and in all things, and in all places.
Ben says:
Dec 10, 2011
Actually the “I am a Mormon” campaign isn’t supposed to normalize the religion. It’s supposed to show that people of the religion can come from every background under the sun. Though i do disagree with the standards BYU-I has the church doesn’t put much forth towards what the world percieve’s of them. What it does do is try to do away with the stigma’s and misconceptions people have of the religion and it’s people without comprimising it’s own integrity.
Becky says:
Dec 7, 2011
Good point!
Lorie Ann says:
Dec 7, 2011
Interesting thought. We should probably allow pre-marital sex at school as well. That’s extremely “normal” in this day and age.
Meg says:
Dec 7, 2011
That’s like saying that skinny jeans are the equivalent to pre-marital sex. Last I checked, “Thou shalt not wear skinny jeans” was no where in the bible.
Colleen says:
Dec 7, 2011
if you know anything about “our” church, you know that it is not really our’s, but the Lord’s he tells his servants on the earth how things should go. It is not our place to question things like multiple piercings, the Word of Wisdom, school dress codes, etc. the only question you need to ask is “Do I have the faith to follow?”
Lindsey says:
Dec 7, 2011
My concern is that these clothing decisions are subjective and arbitrary. I don’t see the Prophet making a specific blanket ban on “skinny jeans” for every person in the church, it’s simply an interpretation of the honor code by a few people at BYU-I, for the students who are going to the testing center. So it’s difficult to declare that this is a “spiritual” choice whether to follow or not.
As well, “skinny jeans” technically extends to 90% of clothing worn by women, and lately, by men. If our jeans touch our skin, then by definition, they’re “skinny jeans.” So does that mean I’m supposed to wear muumuus and parachute pants to take a test?
Yi says:
Dec 7, 2011
word of wisdom are commandments! since when school dress codes are commandment? My understanding is that commandments are made by God, and school dress codes are made by MEN!!!!
Jack says:
Dec 8, 2011
one hundred percent agreed,We all knew the school had a lot of rules before we aplied, it is realy the lamest thing I have ever heard of to start complaining about the rules after applying for the school through our own free will and choice.
Eddie says:
Dec 7, 2011
you can calm down and understand your facts before you start accusing the school. It was a testing center employee who made the unauthorized claim not the school. so you can just calm down
Jill says:
Dec 7, 2011
Ashley, The last time I checked, the image of the church is not based on the fashions of the world. When the world says a certain fashion is “in” that doesn’t make it modest. You may be angry this new rule doesn’t fit your “fashion,” but I think the more important thing to look at here is how the Savior would want us to dress and the impression we give. I am grateful to BYU-I for setting the standard higher than the rest of the world.
Trust me I like to dress cute and look fashionable, but I can do it based on the standards of the church. It has personally always bothered me to see women wear a dress that barelu covers their butt, but they throw on a pair of leggings and somehow that makes it modest to wear to church. I am grateful that BYU-I is not afraid to stand up and say we won’t lower our standards to those of the world.
Jack says:
Dec 8, 2011
Who wants to be normal, thats just dumb. I don’t know how long it will take you all to figure out, we are not normal that is the point. Sticking out and being great.
Sara Dyer says:
Dec 9, 2011
Thank You Ashley! I completely agree with you. They have gone too far. I wear skinny jeans to classes myself. I am an adult who is also an active member of the Church. I feel I can easily decide what is appropriate to wear and what is not. Ban “Jeggings”, don’t tell us we can’t decide whats appropriate and whats not. Skinny jeans are comfortable, and most jeans are tight around the top besides, Any type of pants can be inappropriate if worn the wrong way… Its just another thing that will keep people from coming to a Church University. Its really not fair, and honestly….its insulting.
sophia says:
Mar 21, 2012
I’m with you ashley..I’m greatful that the church has high standards. I know that the Lord loves us and doesn’t want any less then the best for us. Skinny jeans are distracting to some people and I know I wouldn’t want to hurt or offend anyone with my dress
nathan says:
Dec 7, 2011
Luke? is that you? this is nathan from provo
V says:
Dec 7, 2011
Idahons? Messed up Jack. I’m from Idaho but I didn’t make the rule or even claim to agree with it. I also recall some very famous songs and people originating far from my beloved little Idaho. Get excited and do something about what you believe but relax and don’t get hasty with finger pointing eh.
v says:
Dec 7, 2011
*Idahoans
BP says:
Dec 7, 2011
Well if the people who made the rule live in Idaho, aren’t they considered Idahoans? Who else do you point the finger at?
Lorie Ann says:
Dec 7, 2011
No, the people who made the rule are not necessarily from Idaho. The code of honor is set by the board of directors who are from all over the United States. It’s not an “Idahoan” thing.
J says:
Dec 8, 2011
You go to a school with a lot of rule you agree with their rules
Casey says:
Dec 7, 2011
Oh JNCOs…epic fail LOL
Melissa says:
Dec 7, 2011
Well said, Jack. I agree that the term “skinny jeans” could be very widely defined. I don’t think it’s being understood what skinny jeans are. They’re using a term that at times can be vague for something that is very specific–seems like a fallacy of logic really. I’m a BYUI alum; I respect the school; I respect the honor code–I lived it strictly while I was there and I still stand by it, but I must admit this article disappoints me. I think it needs to be understood that not all skinny jeans are immodest, oh-my-goodness-I-can-see-every-curve-of-your-body jeans. Seems to me like saying that any form of skinny jean is immodest is looking a bit beyond the mark.
The good news is that the honor code itself doesn’t actually say “no skinny jeans,” it still goes back to having clothing that clings to the body in an immodest way.
So my point is… well said.
anonymous says:
Dec 7, 2011
I love you. This is soooooooooo TRUE. They’re just jealous that we dress better than them. They are nasty looking, and wish they could pull them off. Gross. I hate these self-righteous people who have nothing better to do with their lives.
Anonymous says:
Dec 7, 2011
I’d rather someone be “self-righteous”, as you say, than nasty and rude like you were. How did a person become “nasty-looking” just by saying skinny jeans were bad?
Doug says:
Dec 7, 2011
As alumni, I really wouldn’t have cared about the new rule, I think skinny jeans or whatever the fashion oriented population want to call them are excruciatingly hideous.
Derek says:
Dec 7, 2011
I agree. And as alumni, I would add that you agreed to follow the rules when you matriculated. If you don’t like them, quit complaining, and go somewhere else. The rules have a purpose, try and figure what that purpose might be.
yoda says:
Dec 7, 2011
amen, you dont have to go to any school you dont want to go, there are plenty of schools that would accept any student that made it to byui, with all due respect, shut up or ship out as they say, as many things that i dont like at the school i have to understand its there for a reason, and about the jean style, i have seen leggings and spandex that are form fitting and show “every curv”.and no need to explain why that is against the honor code. if its a thing of modisty and avoding certain visuals,,, maybe im not paying attention but i still have not seen anyone who has sported a pair of skinny jeans that didnt make thier legs look like a log,,, a baseball bat at best. so A, the pants style are forming a unatractive fit,,, or B, people who where them just got jipped when they were handing out good looking legs,
Nephi says:
Dec 7, 2011
Why anyone goes to BYU-I, I don’t know…. seriously, the worthiness requirements to walk around on campus are higher than they are to get into the temple.
Perhaps the rule should be wear clothes that you actually can fit into… no one likes to see a muffin top on a female OR male.
Donna says:
Dec 7, 2011
Well said. People need to wear clothes that FIT their bodies. Not the size they wished they were.
Rory says:
Dec 7, 2011
Skinny jeans aren’t skinny because they’re two sizes too small. They’re skinny as in the leg doesn’t flare out at the bottom.
Jill says:
Dec 7, 2011
That’s hilarious!
Anonymous says:
Dec 7, 2011
Nephi, I think I saw you in the celestial room the other day. Were you the one wearing skinny jeans with your flip flops?
Sweet Thing says:
Dec 7, 2011
thats way overexaggerated, Nephi. The requirement to get into the temple is to wear your Sunday best… aka NO jeans or t-shirts. The students should be glad for the dress code the way it is… be happy that you can actally wear jeans at all. Back when this University was Ricks College, girls had to wear dresses. They’ve modernized the dress code tons already.
Trisha '79 says:
Dec 7, 2011
I went to Ricks and we weren’t allowed to wear jeans on campus but we didn’t just wear dresses. If we wore pants they were Ladies dress slacks. The young men could were jeans. Try dress slacks in 40 below weather for 6 weeks. BRRRRR……..! So to whine about the standards just get over yourselves and live the standards or move on to another university. Think of it this way would you feel comfortable around the Savior if he was there.
Austin says:
Dec 7, 2011
Agreed, for me the main problem in the original article in the BYU-I newspaper is that the original sign in the testing center, written by the testing center manager, said: “If you have an argumentative attitude about the dress code, you are not being a disciple and you need to go home and pray to ask the Lord how to be a better disciple.”
In no way, shape or form is a BYU-I testing center employee in a position to question or instruct a student on their spiritual worthiness. If my bishop, or parent, or even a good friend or teacher took me aside and said something I would know that they are looking out for me. But what this says is that I don’t really have faith in Christ. When the common man becomes a judge in Israel, game over boys…
Anon says:
Dec 7, 2011
Why can’t we just follow the rules. obviously there is some reason these are frowned upon. we are guided by a very spiritual president so i am sure he has discussed this with the lord. why would you want to even think about going against the lords council?
Bryan says:
Dec 7, 2011
I love the way you said it…
Soon BYUI will turn into an Amish paradise
Joe Langi says:
Dec 6, 2011
I think this is going to far and is just ridiculous. My wife only has jeans that are fitted but I know for a fact they are not too tight. Whats next uniforms? Every priesthood holder parting their hair? I agree there are girls that wear jeans too tight but I would say that its just as bad for guys. But before we add a new one can we enforce the 100 other rules we have here I see every where on campus of students walking around in shorts or girls with skirts too short or guys that havent shaved or guys with hair too long. IDK but I feel the more rules you add the harder it will be to enforce and I feel if you keep it simple it will be easy to deal with.
Daniella Cullimore says:
Dec 7, 2011
Agreed. Really well said Joe.
Zander says:
Dec 7, 2011
True. Too many rules. Glad I’m not in Idaho!
Daniel says:
Dec 7, 2011
Very true. Well said.
John says:
Dec 7, 2011
They aren’t adding a new rule. The honor code already says no tight apparel. Skinny jeans (skin tight) fit that description. It is only getting attention now because it is a trend on campus. Instead of enforcing the rules why don’t we all just obey them then we wouldn’t have people complaining about enforcing the rules.
Jordan Roger Gibb says:
Dec 6, 2011
This is the gayest school now. I am transferring to a non-church school as soon as possible. I love being in the Church enviroment, but this is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. WHAT DO YOU WANT THE GIRLS TO WEAR?! I don’t know what else they sell to girls for them to wear. Let them just go knit their own geans I guess. I’m sorry but this is normal world attire, and not bad. You are turning our girls into freaks by making this school look like the least appealing school to Members and non-members alike. I think is has gone to the extreme and just ridiculous. I’m out of here, sorry BYUi. You’ve taken it way to far now. You are driving students away, which should NOT be the purpose of the church school.
Matt Ross James says:
Dec 7, 2011
You obviously only care for yourself and don’t think of those who have values and morals. This school is not meant to appeal to losers who only care what girls wear. It’s meant for those who want to have an education without any distraction. so find another school! plenty of people are lined up to go to this school.
dthenonreligious says:
Dec 7, 2011
I do agree that Jordan’s use of the word gay is highly inappropriate. However this social awkwardness that occurs in the Morg Door.
Matt, there is no need to make sweeping accusations about someones morality. Calling people losers because they have a different view is incredibly junvinelle. Please grow up and broaden your cultural understanding.
Smooches.
Matt Ross James says:
Dec 7, 2011
DTHENON, Smooches to you too.. Jordan can eat my words and choose to do what he wants with them. I didn’t puke out what he said, he did.. And you should understand that this school is made for people who care for an education.
If you think my words are used in a fashion that you deem inappropriate with your norm of life, you can eat them too. I am grown up and very successful at what I do.
mmcr says:
Dec 7, 2011
you should live in the middle east where the taliban makes women wear burkas maybe youd like that matt. cause it seems to me like ur an extremist. this school is meant to give everyone an education, not focus on what we are wearing everyday. wearing a certain kind of jeans does not make you immoral. the school has taken it too far with this rule. they will not get anywhere trying to shove the rules down the students throats if anything the students will rebel even more. we should not be paying people to tell us what to wear, especially at an lds school.
Rory says:
Dec 7, 2011
Okay, are we still talking about clothing? Happy for your job-related success, I suppose.
Jamie says:
Dec 7, 2011
matt ross james if you get distracted by girls wearing skinny jeans you have a problem because if you get turned on by a calf muscle and ankle you have serious issues and should seek help for that and you should not be looking at girls wearing skirts because it blatantly shows both of those and obviously they are allowed on campus.
Matt Ross James says:
Dec 7, 2011
Haha, My wife is very gorgeous and I have no problems with women in skinny jeans. What I do understand(being endowed) is Christ and his wants for the worlds views on women. I doubt if you were to ask Christ, “do you think skinny jeans are good for the salvation of mankind, in any way at all?”, that he would say “oh well if Jamie wants to wear skinny jeans, and bring his brother to gawk at her butt then sure why not?… YEAH I DOUBT IT.. Please don’t try to be super woman and defend your answer with some thoughtless remark, like Jamie.
John says:
Dec 7, 2011
I like you. (No sarcasm)
Mo says:
Dec 7, 2011
Matt, your endowed status doesn’t give you any advanced authority concerning Christ’s thoughts on the matter.
This fashion ban is not about impressing God. It is about implementing the plan of the adversary in what should be the most unlikely place in the world.
Faith abounds when people are trusted to obey their covenants as they see fit. Testimonies are destroyed when force is introduced in the form of a redundant code.
It was the adversary that wanted us to be homogeneous automatons.
T Wells says:
Dec 7, 2011
Matt, invoking the enlightenment of the endowment in a condescending manner is not appropriate. I am sure plenty of people reading and commenting on this article are active temple going members of the church. You are in no position to assume a moral high ground. The simple fact is that clothing that is too tight or form fitting is inappropriate to wear at the school. However, the term skinny jeans is ambiguous and not all skinny jeans are too tight. The fact is that the issue of wearing skinny jeans are not essential for salvation. If it were, the church would have doctrine declaring such, it would be preached by current Apostles and the rule would be uniform across all Church educational schools. I take issue with those who try to paint objections to university policy as less enlightened Mormons. It is perfectly appropriate to scrutinize university policies, they are not in any way doctrine from God essential to our salvation
Utah Man Am I says:
Dec 7, 2011
Haha! Matthew Ross James! You are one funny dude. But seriously though, pump your brakes. Any fella who is saying stuff like, “I am grown up and very successful at what I do.” and “My wife is very gorgeous…” thinks very highly of himself. You take yourself WAY to seriously fella. You should put down your 44 oz of blue kool-aid, take a valium, and come back to reality. Seriously man, you sound like a pharisee. You have no right to interpret to others what Jesus would think about “skinny jeans”. #unrighteousdominion
Although I expect a very scathing reply from you, most likely demeaning in nature and condemning. May I suggest a book for you? Although he is not an LDS author, John Eldrge is an amazing Christian author and has allowed me to come to a more personal relationship with Christ, check out his book, “Knowing the Heart of God” or “Outlaw.”
platerpuss says:
Dec 7, 2011
People who like to wear skinny jeans don’t have values or morals? Also I am under the impression that the whole business agenda of mormon schools is to get students hitched…MRS degree? I mean family consumer science degree my bad. You can’t deny that guys don’t care what the ladies are wearing. I also find the “no distraction” comment to be a little contradictory to the amount of pressure put on guys to get married the second they come home from their missions. Don’t focus on school get a wife!…Just use our school as a device to find her. Jordan good for you for wanting getting out of the mormon college scene. I did, and it was the best decision for my education. I go to a school where students are very dedicated to their education, and are competitive towards being their best. Go find a great university with a real college life. Being a mormon outside of the mormon bubble/ in the mission field is so much better.
Tiffany says:
Dec 7, 2011
Excuse me? Family and Consumer Science is an MRS degree? I’m in that major, and I will have you know that the majority of my professors have never been married. It’s a 5 year major. It is not a major for girls who don’t want to learn, it’s a major for people who are honestly dedicated to teaching useful skills to future generations. I want to make sure that teenagers can cook in the future, and it just so happens church schools have the best family and consumer science programs. Does that mean I’m not dedicated?
taylor biddle says:
Dec 7, 2011
are you a closet homosexual?????? who says, “This school is not meant to appeal to losers who only care what girls wear.” Isn’t style a form of expression…and not only that but you have to have a sense of style to be able to get a good job. no one is going to hire someone who looks sloppy. How do you even regulate what is skinny? what about someone who is over weight???? their jeans might be tight on them…would that be considered “skinny” jeans? do you want formless blobs for girls walking around campus?….i’m sure getting a boner….
Matt Ross James says:
Dec 7, 2011
VERY GOOD REMARK TAYLOR.. I AGREE 100% with that statement. Though if we all followed the word of wisdom and treated our bodies like temples, as well as watched what we put into them, we all would be healthy and no one would be fat.
Oh and I’m married to a beautiful wife and have children. Therefore not a closet homosexual.
MC says:
Dec 7, 2011
While I agree that we should treat our bodies like temples and eat healthy (and that the mainstream in our society doesn’t do this), please keep in mind that many people have health problems beyond their control. Some struggle with weight even when they follow a strictly healthy diet. Let’s be sensitive to those who try their hardest to take care of themselves, but may be misjudged simply because of how they look.
Rory says:
Dec 7, 2011
You can have a wife and kids and still be gay. Besides, no one cares. Can we keep these comments to the issue at hand?
Anonymous says:
Dec 7, 2011
Plenty of people lined up to go to this school? You do realize that people only go there because they couldn’t get in anywhere else, or because they are desperate to get married. there is no academic reason for anyone to go to that school. Also, how are skinny jeans a distraction?
Tiffany says:
Dec 7, 2011
Where are you getting your facts? I am a BYU-Idaho Alumnus, and have an excellent career because of my education there. I transferred from BYU in Provo but I value the Education I recieved in BYU-Idaho the most… I CHOSE BYU-Idaho over any other school out there and do not regret that decision for a minute.
J Nerys E says:
Dec 7, 2011
Pardon me but i just got to say to you, WHAT THE HECK? I could have gotten into any school I wanted but I chose to attend BYU-I. Sure I also came here to get married but that is not the only reason. Did it ever cross your mind that someone might want to come to this school to actually learn something, I know what a shocker right. Even with it’s Honor Code it is still an upstanding school that I won’t have to go into massive amounts of debt to attend. As for the whole skinny jeans thing, I don’t necessarily agree with it but we did sign up for this when we chose to attend this school.If anyone has a problem with it they always have the option of transferring out.
PaddysPub says:
Dec 7, 2011
The school is obviously failing in its teaching of grammatical skills.
Incredulous says:
Dec 7, 2011
@Matt: Wow. I can’t believe you are calling Jordan selfish! It is true, yes, that there are plenty of people who would love to attend BYU-I — and more power to them — but Jordan’s comment is totally valid in its own right: For BYU-I to enforce a no skinny jeans policy is, in fact, ridiculous. Jordan mentions he enjoys attending to school in the LDS environment but that this rule takes things too far. How is that selfish? Because BYU-I has established a rule that goes over the lines of choice? Jordan’s comment, with respect, does not seem to advocate to “losers who only care what girls wear”. My suggestion to you, Matt, is to rethink where your comment really came from. Are you so distracted by skinny jeans that you are someone who needs a rule like this to be put in place? In that case, I ask you: Who is the loser? Jordan isn’t attacking anyone. Why are you?
Jordan says:
Dec 7, 2011
so now your calling me a pervert? farthest from the truth, thanks. I am talking about the whole thing, I dealt with parents enough in High School so when I left for college I was excited to finally be on my own! Now all I feel like is that its worse than what it was at home, more regulations and it just gets on my nerves. I left home READY to leave home, now I feel like my hand is just being held by someone else. I want to be left alone, not told what I can and can’t wear even if it doesn’t apply to me. I don’t think girls should wear super tight jeans, but it really comes down to agency and their own decision and thats what I think it should be based upon.
Jill says:
Dec 7, 2011
I chose not to go to BYU-I because of the stricteness of their rules,not that I wanted to bad or anything I just didn’t want to have “parents” telling me what to do when I went away to school. Please tell me how implementing this rule means more than not wearing shorts or capris or flip flops. It’s not like they made a huge jump in their honor. It’s always been strict and your signed it saying you would obey it.
Joseph Leafty says:
Dec 7, 2011
Exactly! Well said Matt
Brandon says:
Dec 7, 2011
“You obviously only care for yourself and don’t think of those who have values and morals” Wow, if that doesn’t make you a textbook example of ‘self righteous’ then I don’t know what would. If you want an education without distraction then maybe you should find a school that doesn’t weigh your scholastic merits down with absurd religious classes. Oh, and to JORDAN, grow up and find a better word than “gayest”.
Jimmy James says:
Dec 7, 2011
Spoken like a true Cougar!The The “Holier than thou” attitude fits you well.
kay says:
Dec 7, 2011
jeans*
Shplaine says:
Dec 7, 2011
Yep, telling guys not to wear skinny jeans is pretty gay! I WANT BULGE!
dadlin says:
Dec 7, 2011
I wouldn’t call BYU gay, seeing that homosexuality is banned…
josh says:
Dec 7, 2011
you do know that someone who is openly gay can go to the BYU universities.
Shplaine says:
Dec 7, 2011
what does “openly gay” mean and how does that differ from being regular gay. Do you agree that homosexuality is a sin? What does homosexuality mean? Does it mean just having temptations? Of course not, that’s not a sin. Does the school allow “openly adulterous” students in? No. Would they kick you out if you felt temptations to look at other women? No. If you have homosexual temptations and act on them and the school finds out, you are gone. What is this “openly gay” stuff?
Jill says:
Dec 7, 2011
Well Said!!
lawrence says:
Dec 9, 2011
Dear Shplaine-
You are a dumbass. Please gtfo.
There ARE guys in the church (and at BYUI) who are open about their “struggle” with homosexuality. They are just few and far between.
shplaine says:
Dec 10, 2011
so “openly gay” just means that you are open about your struggle with it? I didn’t know that thanks for clearing it up. What about “openly promiscuous”? Does that just mean you are open with your struggle with wanting to have sex? LOL it’s easy when you can make up your own definitions right? You didn’t answer any of the questions I wrote, instead all you could do was call me a name and tell me to get out. Very mature. Is that how you win your arguments, shout people down? Easy to do on the internet. You lose
lawrence says:
Dec 12, 2011
lol. k.
Joe Satriani says:
Dec 7, 2011
Are you drunk?
confused says:
Dec 7, 2011
that’s banned too
BlissfulHeretic says:
Dec 7, 2011
Only in Mormonland would actual intelligent thought make a person look drunk.
Ryan says:
Dec 7, 2011
Burqas they want them to wear burqas. Then it will be shuttlecock burqas, only they will change the name because well “shuttlecock” is a scandalous term.
anon says:
Dec 7, 2011
You are seriously getting so upset over jeans!! Talk about false gods, fashion gods. Get over yourself. I think it’s ridiculous that you are leaving BYUI over jeans. How pathetic!!
caliguy says:
Dec 9, 2011
Jordan I hope that you weren’t rash in your decision making of switching schools before you found out that this whole rule thing was just a rumor. For girls the stores do sell jeans that are not just skinny jeans.
Jordan Gibb says:
Dec 6, 2011
I am transferring to a non-church school as soon as possible. I love being in the Church enviroment, but this is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. WHAT DO YOU WANT THE GIRLS TO WEAR?! I don’t know what else they sell to girls for them to wear. Let them just go knit their own jeans I guess. I’m sorry but this is normal world attire, and not bad. You are turning our girls into freaks by making this school look like the least appealing school to Members and non-members alike. I think is has gone to the extreme and just ridiculous. I’m out of here, sorry BYUi. You’ve taken it way to far now. You are driving students away, which should NOT be the purpose of the church school.
Casey says:
Dec 7, 2011
They want them to wear brown burlap sacks of course. Cover it up and shut up ladies! God forbid women express themselves through fashion. Next thing you know, they’ll be telling you what you can and cannot drink, how to act (aka obey/behave)..oh wait. They already do. Good thing those Mormons are so open minded. Other wise, people would just be so sheltered. (I hope I’m not layin gon the sarcasm too thick)
I was raised LDS, my mother’s ENTIRE family practices as part of the church…when I got older and my mom let us choose, and believe me I ran like Hell!
Shplaine says:
Dec 7, 2011
I know, that’s why I signed up to go to a church-owned school, to express myself through fashion! fabulous! I hate when my classes get in the way of me looking awesome! Hope I’m not laying on the sarcasm too thick
lawrence says:
Dec 9, 2011
Your comments are so stupid they KILL me
Shplaine says:
Dec 10, 2011
LOL so you take the time to comment on them. You never comment on what I actually write. Try to enlighten me on my points. So far you have nothing, all you have is anger and emotion like a 10 yr old playing world of warcraft. I’m not out to offend you if you are a homosexual in the church, I know they are out there and I commend their courage to fight it, just don’t wear your skinny jeans on campus.
Tyler says:
Dec 7, 2011
Sooo… skinny jeans the one thing in the universe that you cannot go without? So all the other rules you were ok with, and this is what makes you want to go somewhere else?
<.<
good riddance! We dont need your kind of rabble!
hypocrite says:
Dec 7, 2011
Shouldn’t you be trying to bring the rabble back into the fold? #hypocritaclmormons
Matt Ross James says:
Dec 7, 2011
WOOT WOOT!
Jordan says:
Dec 7, 2011
Sorry, let me get back in here to clear up some things… I just think that with all these several rules that have come into play within the last few years it is getting a bit silly. I think someone else mentioned how girls can wear yoga pants in the gym and get away with it, and also they can wear skirts. Umm Uh oh? Skirts actually show half the leg while skinny jeans don’t. I just think its getting out of hand as to how much they want to tell us what to wear and not. I had just woken up when I wrote that so maybe I did sound too harsh and wasn’t thinking enough, I love the people the Gospel and just the overall environment here at the school, but its just these little things like curfew and things about the dress code that are annoying.
Jordan says:
Dec 7, 2011
I never said I was ok with the other rules, thanks for reading.
Jill says:
Dec 7, 2011
Agreed.
Joe says:
Dec 7, 2011
Good riddance. You won’t be missed
rickybobby says:
Dec 6, 2011
bahahahahaha who in their right mind would go to BYU-I,unless for a few reasons I guess:
1: desperate, can’t possibly find someone to marry elsewhere. BYU-I offers a refund policy, if you get a degree before you get a spouse, you get half your tuition back.
2: Couldn’t get into BYU. Test scores bad enough, or gpa bad enough to exclude them from BYU.
3: BYU Hawaii was too expensive
Stella says:
Dec 7, 2011
BYU-Idaho is a great school…not funny what you are saying..
Jamie says:
Dec 7, 2011
I think it’s hilarious and you are just sour because you know it’s true!!! and where can i get that re-fund? i could use half of my tuition!
Shplaine says:
Dec 7, 2011
You know you’d have to give it back to your mommy and daddy who paid for it. We don’t want to see your spandex jeans on your gorilla thunder thighs
Becca says:
Dec 7, 2011
you sound like the bitter one
Tyler says:
Dec 7, 2011
Ummm… ok, so lets look at your comments…
1) FALSE!!! Where in blazes did you lean that?
2) does happen sometimes
3) Does happen
Now, just because there are a few people off their rocker, does NOT exclude a school from being an option. I also chose it because Family are close enough to visit, but not close enough to get bugged by them all the time.
J Nerys E says:
Dec 7, 2011
@Tyler Thank you for saying that BYU was to close to some family and to far from others. BYU-I seemed like a good median and it was cheap enough that I wouldn’t have to be in debt for the rest of my life
Tessa says:
Dec 7, 2011
or 4. Loves the campus and learning in an LDS environment.
Joe says:
Dec 7, 2011
I second that, Tessa!
jtothehizzle says:
Dec 7, 2011
you are lame
Mariah B. says:
Dec 7, 2011
Wow people are so negative! I love BYU-Idaho, although they have many rules and many of them might sound a little ridiculous. If you don’t like it leave. and 2nd of all those who complain about curfew, skinny jeans ect. those are the people who cant seem to follow the honor code. Stop being selfish, Figure out the real reason why you go to school. To gain an education.
Amy says:
Dec 7, 2011
If the reason is to be getting an education… why should it matter what we wear? You can gain the SAME education wearing shorts and a tank, sweats, a skirt and blouse, or casual every day wear. And you cannot tell me that the majority of people who are given rules such as this aren’t going to like it. It’s a part of their style. A part of how they dress as a person. Take that away and yes there will be angry people so dont tell them to leave. They aren’t selfish. If i had clothes i loved to wear and then all of a sudden be told i wasn’t allowed… I would be ticked. Wearing skinny jeans does not take away from the Spirit, nor does it reflect that you dont honor the honor code.
Bethany says:
Dec 7, 2011
How about another one: 4. God wanted me there.
JesusSmith says:
Dec 7, 2011
HAHA!
Daniel says:
Dec 7, 2011
hahahaha soooo truee!!
stacie says:
Dec 7, 2011
I was accepted to BYU and chose to go to BYU-Idaho instead. I’m now an alumni and I wouldn’t have had it any other way.
The school buildings are dedicated, so we should dress respectfully. Honestly, I think most of the nay-sayers who attend BYU-Idaho are attending a church school because it’s inexpensive. Tuition is subsidized by TITHE PAYERS MONEY. They’re perfectly entitled to their opinions, but if they can’t respect the dress code, they should go somewhere else and let someone else who will appreciate their education at BYU-I take their place.
Shplaine says:
Dec 7, 2011
I don’t think they go because it’s inexpensive. I think most of the crybabies have no idea how cheap the school is because their parents pay for it.
hailey says:
Dec 6, 2011
This. is. so. stupid.
What are we supposed to wear?!
Turtle necks and dress pants?
MarileeBob says:
Dec 7, 2011
Uh…how about regular jeans?
satan666 says:
Dec 7, 2011
you’re an idiot
Joe says:
Dec 7, 2011
You’re satan!
lawrence says:
Dec 7, 2011
http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_li43lwlBJJ1qzthbto1_500.gif
Colton says:
Dec 7, 2011
how about snow-suits?
Lisa says:
Dec 7, 2011
That is actually the clothing that a lot of girls at the school would wear. A turtle neck and dress pants would be a good outfit for BYU-I, especially because it is so cold there. If it bothers you so very much you probably don’t belong there. The school has high standards for dress and grooming to create an environment conducive to the Holy Spirit. If you don’t really understand and agree with that, you might consider another school.
Kestra says:
Dec 7, 2011
It has nothing to do with the Holy Spirit. The Church demands obedience and control – right down to underwear. It expects its adherents to obey without question.
If you really don’t understand how consuming the need to control its members is within the LDS church, you might want to consider doing going somewhere else so you can get a proper education.
Abbie says:
Dec 7, 2011
If this is true then why was I allowed to choose wether to go attend BYU-I, to attend church, to take part of covenants. We are expected to find out for ourselves what we believe in.
People here wear t-shirts and yes, many of us skinny jeans- to classes and tests, like every one else.
Kestra says:
Dec 7, 2011
Try leaving the church – telling your friends and family that you don’t believe. You’ll find the control as everyone love-bombs you (including people you’ve never met) with weird cookie plates and “we MISS YOU!!!” cards.
Have you ever chosen to go to another church? Gone to Sunday School in another church? Not gone to church for months at a time? Gone completely out of the Christian realm completely?
If not, then no – you haven’t bothered to find out what you believe in.
Matt Ross James says:
Dec 7, 2011
Well said!!! Nice Lisa
Anonymous says:
Dec 7, 2011
Don’t talk anymore. You’re a self-righteous bigot who doesn’t understand the gospel. As much as you would love to think it, you are no better person than anyone else. So chill out and go tell someone wearing skinny jeans that you love them. . . . unless you’re too good to do that.
Bmoney says:
Dec 7, 2011
Lisa…. You missed the mark as has BYU I…. Might as we’ll be called OLDS… Orthodox Lds… Dress like flds, condemn the Pepsi drinking, pg13 watching, Sunday tv watching, Skinny jean wearin’ jack Mormons.
The real BYU doesn’t even entertain this kind of ridiculousness… Neither does thes church marketing department who has invested considerable tithing dollars to distance the church’s image from these very same stereo type promoting false traditions of mark missers.
Ps I am not evil…. I have a temple rec and teach seminary and am a graduate of the real BYU… I understand the honor code as well as have the ability to understand that commandments and worthiness are not inversely related to the length of stubble in a beard or the flip floppiness of you shoes.
Shplaine says:
Dec 7, 2011
“have the ability to understand that commandments and worthiness are not inversely related to the length of stubble in a beard or the flip floppiness of you shoes.”
Do you teach the importance of obedience in your seminary classes? Do you teach them that obedience is the first law of heaven? What are you going to tell your kids when the prophet teaches something that you don’t agree with or understand?
The school is run by the church and uses tithing money. The buildings are dedicated. Do you know who made the decision to switch Ricks to BYU-I? Not some board of trustees or campus vote. It was President Hinkley. And way to wave your righteousness around by having a temple recommend and teaching seminary. I wouldn’t have listened to a word you said had you just been a non-temple worthy sinning member!
Anonymous says:
Dec 7, 2011
I think it’s sad that a graduate of the “real” BYU couldn’t even take the time to check the facts, what did you learn at school anyways?
caliguy says:
Dec 9, 2011
there’s no such thing as the real BYU. Otherwise on the flyer’s it would mention such a thing as that. All the signs say: Brigham Young University Provo, Brigham Young University Idaho and Brigham Young University Hawaii. Not one school is better than the next. At every school everyone is expected to be clean shaven and who cares what shoe style the schools ask you to wear.
Becca says:
Dec 7, 2011
How about skinny jeans? They aren’t really against the honor code, if you guys would just check your facts before complaining you’d know the testing center made a mistake, and it has now been corrected.
Zachary says:
Dec 6, 2011
I think that school needs to be shut down. The LDS religion and standards over there are just plain out right ridiculous. I think that they need to take their noses right out of the air and come to the fact that they are no better than the rest of us! I am so glad that I am not apart of the LDS religion anymore! Jesus. What do they teach free agency? pshhh. whateva.
Lauren says:
Dec 7, 2011
Oh yes Zachary, by asking us not to wear skinny jeans, our noses are definitely in the air. Yup, I don’t wear tight clothing because I think I’m better than you. You hit the nail on the head buddy.
Brian says:
Dec 7, 2011
<3
Shplaine says:
Dec 7, 2011
you nailed it zach attack. Setting standards = sticking your nose in the air. And I hate it that the church forces students to attend BYU-I and takes away their free agency. Since you’ve left, you probably missed that announcement at General Conference that we aren’t allowed to attend other universities because we don’t teach free agency anymore
Jay says:
Dec 7, 2011
The church doesn’t set standards. It drags them. No matter what society does, the mormon church will conform to it: Black Rights. Science. Fashion. Gay Rights (you’ll see). Everything. Only they will do it 40 years later and deny the basis for their antiquated original policies.
The church isn’t anchored in its “standards” any more than its doctrines or temple ceremonies are. So yes, it is about sticking one’s nose in the air… concocting an image moral-immovability when all they really do is act slightly more conservative than everyone else.
And regarding the comment of “not forcing” students to attend church schools… perhaps not explicitly so, but when they threaten your eternal salvation with anything other than a temple marriage they don’t really leave you with much choice if you live out of Utah. I’m glad I went to BYU. I might not have discovered how much of a cult I had grown up in.
Good riddance. Life has been so much better ever since.
Shplaine says:
Dec 7, 2011
I gotta say since you left the church has been running a lot better. You see, we have standards to separate the wheat from the tares and you proved it. And you’re one of those guys that can leave the church but can’t leave it alone. Move on with your life, let go. Focus on your new church and leave this church alone
Jay says:
Dec 7, 2011
Shplaine, I see you are well trained on your self-reassuring catch-phrases… A little bit of alliteration here. Some symmetrical sentence structure there. And finally some out-group name calling is all you need to avoid critical thought.
Are you really going to accuse US of not being able to keep to ourselves when the church brags of their 50,0000+ missionaries? Have you ever stopped to consider WHY people might be inclined to “not leave the church alone”? You probably think we’re just being difficult for annoyance’ sake, but you can’t get over your religiocentric view that you are the sole possessor of truth.
Did it ever occur to you that maybe we’re trying to help people come out of the church for the same reasons you’re trying to bring them in? We’re all in the search for truth. From your perspective, in order to bring people into the church (i.e. the truth), people’s incorrect perceptions of the church must be alleviated, right? From my perspective, in order for members to engage in critical thought, they must be taught in critical, rational, and empirical processes, and learn to abandon authority as the SOLE source of information.
As long as LDS members have testimonies and believe the prophet receives unadulterated revelation from God, they will not allow room for any progression of ideas beyond or in contradiction to what they already have. If we were in 17th century Europe, I’d be crying out against the catholic church and advocating heliocentrism. Don’t take it personally.
Shplaine says:
Dec 7, 2011
Oh sorry, i didn’t catch in your little rant against the church that you were trying to help us poor misguided fools. I should’ve seen the honest sincerity of your trying to help us. Ill look harder next time. We really enjoy it when you come on here and insult our church and religion, I’m sure you’re winning just as many people as the 50,000 missionaries are. It’s hard to believe that your life has been so much better since you can’t stop criticizing the church. I’m sure you were just as critical when you were a member and found some excuse finally to leave. The only problem is you say you left, but here you are. Move on
devon says:
Dec 7, 2011
Well I am sorry you left. I know for myself that I love the gospel. Hope you have a successful life, full of love
Matt Ross James says:
Dec 7, 2011
WOW JAY! You said slightly more conservative than everyone else… UMMM, how about much more conservative than everyone else.
Nicole says:
Dec 6, 2011
Is there an official statement banning skinny jeans from the dresscode? Because I haven’t seen one…just curious where this information is coming from?
Lewis says:
Dec 7, 2011
Good question. This may all be a JOKE… Or mis-information.
Sanda Smith says:
Dec 6, 2011
I think that BYU should make women wear dresses. That show no curves. Why should a woman be able to feel feminine? That just allows men to look at women as if they were an object. I think males should continue to choose what women are allowed, and not allowed to do, say, wear. And as a woman, I will follow these orders, it is my duty, my obligation, to surrender my rights to males, to obey their words, their revelations. I am no better, than men. I should stay in the kitchen, raise children, and forget about a career. What better way, than to start by banning womens clothing.
MarileeBob says:
Dec 7, 2011
Plenty of men wear skinny jeans too, this isn’t a direct attack on women’s rights.
Tessa says:
Dec 7, 2011
Oh please. What drama! I’m sure the standard intended is nothing more or less than the original standard ALL BYU-I students AGREED TO by SIGNING THEIR NAME that they would follow the honor code which states no tight or revealing clothing. Yeesh! You guys make it sound like the administration is forcing you to comply to something new and unfair when it has always been their policy.
MELISSA says:
Dec 7, 2011
I sincerely hope you’re joking. And if you are only kidding, what happens when a non-member sees this? The internet is forever, and you writing this on this site gives non-members a bad view of us. There is so much to pick apart in this paragraph of yours. What do you want, for us to dress as polygamists? Should we all grow our hair out like Sampson now, and fashion it in long braids? Should we submit to men, just because they were created first and have more of the power in the LDS religion? Do men run your life? Does someone tell you what to say and dress like every day? Forget about a career? This irritates me beyond belief. Some women are meant to work. Every woman should get an education and have a job to fall back on just in case something goes wrong with one’s husband. And what about the women who never marry? What about the ones who aren’t meant to have an earthly marriage? This is simply becoming an outrage. BYUI cannot and should not be able to regulate the jeans that 85% of the school wears. Sorry that some horny dude gets off by looking at girls who wear skinny jeans. He needs to keep it in his freaking pants. Oh, and by the way, there shouldn’t be a comma in the sentance, “I am no better, than men.”
Kestra says:
Dec 7, 2011
I have news for you – non-members already have a bad view of Mormons, based on how their church acts and how its members are controlled. They already know that women are second-class citizens in the church, that they are paid lip service that they are “special” and don’t need to hold the priesthood (which is basically a way of placating them so they’ll stay quiet). Yet many bishops still expect women to adhere to what their husbands say, ask their husbands – rather than the women – to assign them to callings, and women can only be sealed to one man, yet men can take multiple sealed wives (aka… POLIGAMY, as current in the mainstream LDS church).
No church should need to create a series of advertisements to show its members as normal human beings. Yet the Mormon church feels the need to. Doesn’t that speak volumes?
Nerys says:
Dec 7, 2011
I don’t think I’m a second class citizen. I have rights and an agency to choose what is right and what is wrong. and you know what, I chose this church because I knew it was a true and just church, If taking away skinny jeans makes people feel that they can’t believe in the church anymore than I pray for them. Because there are worse things out there than someone telling you that your jeans are to tight.
This Guy says:
Dec 7, 2011
Wait a second, there is no more *polygamy in the church.
katie says:
Dec 7, 2011
melissa, clearly she was being sarcastic. clearly.
Steve says:
Dec 7, 2011
I sure hope that what I’m hearing is sarcasm, and if not I’m interpreting it as such anyway.
Courtney says:
Dec 6, 2011
If you don’t like it, then free a seat for someone else. A top quality education on a safe campus for an inexpensive price is very attractive, with or without the curves.
Joe says:
Dec 7, 2011
Agreed!
moo says:
Dec 7, 2011
i don’t think “attractive” should be used when describing BYU-I… but that’s just me.
Joe says:
Dec 7, 2011
Have you even looked around at BYU-I lately? All of the additions and improvements, the awesome I-Center? Not to mention the clean, safe, friendly environment, where most students share the same high standards and actually want to learn. You are absolutely right! How dare she use that word!?!?
Joe says:
Dec 7, 2011
Have you even looked around BYU-I recently? All of the new improvements and additions? The new and awesome I-Center? Not to mention the safe, clean, friendly environment where most students share the same high values and actually want to learn. Yep, you are absolutely right! How dare she use that word!?!?
lawrence says:
Dec 7, 2011
LOL@top quality education… really?? Have you looked at the students that surround you at this school? It’s full of clones and thoughtless trolls. Keep telling yourself that you’re getting a top quality education here. It will continue making you feel better than those elsewhere.
Rj says:
Dec 7, 2011
My apologies for being a thoughtless troll while taking organic, bio, and physical chemistry, being accepted into the master’s program at Purdue, and receiving a stipend.
Joe says:
Dec 7, 2011
Have you looked at the ratings of this school? Say what you will about the views held by its administrators, leaders,and students but before you criticize too much, pick up a book and read. There is one particularly good one called The Innovative University: Changing the DNA of Higher Education, which is cowritten by Henry Eyring and Clayton Christensen, a world-renowned Harvard Business Professor and business advisor of Fortune 50 companies (50, not 500) and other countries’ governments. The book compares Harvard to BYU-Idaho and was reviewed by many of the former presidents and deans of Harvard before it was published. Christensen praises the innovation and quality of education that BYU-Idaho offers and invites other schools (including Harvard) to follow in their footsteps. But… what does he know, right? Sometimes you hear the saying, “if you can’t do, teach,” but that is not true here. Many of the instructors left their very successful careers because they wanted to teach the things that they have learned to the rising generation. We have the opportunity to learn from successful instructors rather than just lifelong scholars that have not actually known the real world. And the President of this school shocked everyone when he announced that he would leave his position as a Dean at Harvard to come here. Courtney is absolutely right! The BYU-Idaho students on here throwing a hissy-fit need to realize what an AMAZING opportunity it is to be a part of this school. Be proud of your school, and take advantage of the knowledge that you can acquire here, rather than bickering over “fashion”. If you value that more than obtaining the knowledge to make you successful in your career for the rest of your life, then WOW! What are you even doing in college?!?
lawrence says:
Dec 7, 2011
Interesting you should reference that book. Yes, I am familiar with it. The books talks about the innovations the school is making and the new approaches it is taking in educating. No where does it compare BYUI’s academic standing with that of Harvard’s. It compares the two school’s structures.
As for “bickering over fashion,” this isn’t about fashion. It’s about the school trying to control every aspect of the students’ lives. It’s about the student’s voices being heard and ignored by the administration.
Shplaine says:
Dec 7, 2011
You can’t put your butt-huggers away for 4 years? Gosh, when did the hippy movement start up again. I wish the they would say no jeans at all. How about we dress like a professional school, ties and dresses every day. We’re you crying when you had to wear a suit every day on your mission? Oh, you haven’t served one yet? Good luck
Lawrence says:
Dec 8, 2011
If the school wants a professional environment, they need to focus more on academics and less on menial nit-picky issues such as this one. Focusing more on academics will naturally bring a more professional environment to this very unprofessional school.
PS. I have served a mission. Next time try not to make such an ass of yourself in your assumptions.
Shplaine says:
Dec 10, 2011
You obviously know more than President Clarke who was dean at harvard business school. You are definitely one of the great and noble elite members who are smarter than the church leaders and like to cry about any standard they set that you don’t like. I believe that you served a mission because we had a few missionaries like you. I just wish you guys would leave the church rather than stay in and spread your bitterness towards leaders.
You might have missed it that BYU-I is a private university owned by the church and has its own mission. Do you know the mission statement of the school? Take some time to go read it rather than spending your time crying and complaining online about your schools dress code.
james merrill says:
Dec 6, 2011
awaiting moderation? censor this comment… Rexburg=Orwellian police state.
crichton007 says:
Dec 6, 2011
If they don’t like it they have other school options. BYU’s universities are private schools and it’s not as if the students didn’t know what they were signing up for when the applied.
mike porterfield says:
Dec 6, 2011
you guys make me sick.
Zack Shutt says:
Dec 7, 2011
Agreed. How embarrassing. It’s hard to be proud of a school like this… what a shame.
Chelan says:
Dec 6, 2011
This is really ridiculous. I’m embarrassed to be from Idaho.
Aubry Hiatt says:
Dec 6, 2011
I think that wearing normal skinny jeans, that are not strapping to the ankle are not a big deal. I disagree with this new dress code, mainly because it’s literally all I wear and will have to buy new jeans. I think that with banning skinny jeans, they might as well ban all shirts that sculpt our waists and breasts. Only wearing shirts that come to our throats might help possibly. A shirt is more risqué than jeans, I think. If these rules are made because of what is put in a boys mind, or keeping the spirit on campus, jeans are less the answer than a tight shirt. The BYUI dress code is not that difficult to follow, but when a pair of pants are banned, it only sends people away from this school, rather than bring more delightful souls unto us.
Shplaine says:
Dec 7, 2011
It sends away people that have problems following standards and people that don’t realize that tithing subsidizes tuition here. Please, make more room for people that want to be here and don’t have a problem dressing modestly. Go talk to your bishop and ask him if skinny jeans are modest. In fact, wear a pair to your next interview and show him. My hope is that the honor code gets rid of the kids and keeps the adults. The kids can come back after they grow up
Joe says:
Dec 7, 2011
Oh, man! I couldn’t have worded that better myself, Shplaine! Totally agree!
shay says:
Dec 7, 2011
I don’t think you should have to ask your bishop if your jeans are modest or not. I’d like to think that most students there are grown-up enough to make an intelligent decision about whether or not their pants are appropriate for the atmosphere BYU-I would like to maintain. Not everything is as black and white as most people make things out to be.
Jill says:
Dec 7, 2011
After reading several of these mud slinging comments I don’t think these people are grown-up enough to make intelligent decisions.
Amantha says:
Dec 6, 2011
Is this a problem from the knee up because I think skinny jeans fit the same up top as regular jeans… I think the only true difference is the knee down, thats the skinny part. I only own one pair of skinny jeans and I like to wear them with boots over them. Is that a problem? How can you tell them from regular jeans if a boot is hiding the bottom?
Alli says:
Dec 7, 2011
“Is this a problem from the knee up because I think skinny jeans fit the same up top as regular jeans… I think the only true difference is the knee down, thats the skinny part.”
^^This. Definitely this.
Kelsey says:
Dec 6, 2011
Oppression of social freedoms is part of the Mormon agenda. This isn’t surprising. With that said: yes, it’s completely insane.
Tessa says:
Dec 7, 2011
Someone clearly doesn’t understand lds doctrine accurately…
kkk says:
Dec 6, 2011
stupid
Jason says:
Dec 6, 2011
I hope non-mormons don’t get a hold of this article
PiFox says:
Dec 7, 2011
Trust me, everybody will get ahold of this article. I have to say, as a “non-mormon,” it’s fairly entertaining. Granted, I’m wearing skinny jeans and a form-fitting V-neck T shirt as I’m typing this. So I’m just a little biased towards the whole situation. From an outside perspective, I think this is completely absurd. But at the same time, it’s your religion and your morals, so I’m not one to step on your toes. I just find it interesting how worked-up people are getting over this. Thanks for the chuckles.
David says:
Dec 7, 2011
Why, so they can think more negatively about you? Mormons care way too much about what other people think about them, if you really believe you are a part of the “true church” and know for a fact you will be living happily ever after with god, why give a crap about what other people think about a clothing restriction? And yes, i grew up LDS so i believe i have a say in this.
Daniel says:
Dec 7, 2011
@david: I’m not trying to attack you or anything, but I do care about what non-members think of me. It’s pretty necessary. I was born Mormon, but I grew up in California so most of my close friends aren’t Mormon. There were a total of 5 Mormons in a high school of over 4,000 and none of them were in my grade so I had to make other friends.
Rose says:
Dec 6, 2011
Unless it is inappropriate to look at a person’s fully denim-covered calves, then I see no reason for skinny jeans to be banned. Skinny jeans aren’t different in the butt area than flared or boot-cut jeans. What about girls who wear knee-length skirts, but show their calves? The only difference between skinny jeans and other styles of jeans is the ‘skinny’ area below the knee.
Obviously the people behind this rule weren’t women. Skinny jeans can make for a really stylish and modest part of an outfit. It can also really flatter your body type (without flaunting it sexually). It’s hard enough to find stylish and modest clothing and especially at BYU-Idaho where the dress code is already so strict (no capris or flip flops). I feel sorry for the girls who have to change their wardrobe needlessly.
There are probably dress-code violations to be more concerned about (in the context of BYU-Idaho, that is). Skinny jeans are not immodest.
Alyssa says:
Dec 7, 2011
I couldn’t have said it better. I don’t get why people don’t understand this concept.
britney says:
Dec 6, 2011
I only own skinny jeans… so im paying a expensive FEE to go to this school and then on top of that they want me to replace my wardrobe with new pants? i am a poor college student and think the dress code is going over board. there should be no problem with “jeans”. Jeans fully cover your body so therefore fits with the dress code. this dress code is just going to drive away more and more students. so how whill you tell when they are wearing boots? some jeans are tight and the top of the legs and arent even skinny jeans! good luck on figuring out that one
Kurt says:
Dec 7, 2011
The tithing donations of faithful church members, many of them living in very humble circumstances, subsidize the tuition of BYU-I students. Those that find it too difficult to live the standards of the university might consider leaving so that others who desire a quality education at a reasonable price may take their place.
Will says:
Dec 7, 2011
Luckily for you, the expensive “fee” you are paying is only a fraction of what you would be paying to attend a university elsewhere.
Shplaine says:
Dec 7, 2011
LOL you kids need to grow up and experience the real world. Quit crying and go to another university and see how expensive they are compared to your BYU-I tuition that is subsidized by tithing. Go to a different university and then you’ll see that changing your dress is a small price to pay for the cheap tuition.
Alice says:
Dec 7, 2011
Exactly Britney! What do they want us to wear 3x sizes too big?
So SHPLAINE, what do you wear then boy pants
Shplaine says:
Dec 7, 2011
I wear slacks so yeah I wear boy pants since I am a boy. Girls weren’t wearing skinny jeans when I first got here 4 years ago so obviously they had stuff to wear. I know it’s soooooo hard to follow I feel so bad for you. I have physical pain every morning when I shave and I dislike it but I shut my mouth and follow it because I enjoy being at this school. I hope people leave the school because of this, sick of the little kids showing up with their parents paying tuition and everything, you have no idea how cheap this school is compared to others.
Alyssa says:
Dec 8, 2011
I think what she meant was *what do you want us to wear then, boy pants?* just saying. Obviously girls weren’t wearing them because they weren’t really the style. I don’t see a lot of bell bottoms around now a days either, but that’s besides the point. You’re a boy so you shouldn’t really have an opinion in the matter honestly that’s my own opinion. And who are you to judge that every “little kid” has their parents pay for their tuition? This school may be really cheap compared to others, but everyone’s circumstances are different. I’m also really sorry you have to shave every morning so you don’t look like a hobo. Really, who should be the one growing up here?
shplaine says:
Dec 8, 2011
Where in the honor code does it say that form fitting clothing is only restricted to women? I can’t have an opinion on this one because guys obviously don’t wear these goofy skinny jeans or form fitting pants right? You didn’t mention that you pay your own tuition so I can see how the comment bugged you, hit close to home. And “And who are you to judge” what she meant to say? LoL. Just ask your parents this Christmas if your gift can be that they pay for your tuition at some other school that lets you wear butt-huggers. Tell them how distressed you are at the tyranny of this school. And I’d rather see people on campus looking like hobos than sleazy tramps
Kara West says:
Dec 6, 2011
I’m so tired of the Pharisees among our midst who are trying to turn Beautiful Mormonism into the Islamic Republic of Iran.
Steph says:
Dec 7, 2011
Kara, I think we should respect other countries. No matter how different they are from ours. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints and the Muslim religion have much in common. In fact, I know of Muslim families from Iran and elsewhere who want their children to hang out with Mormons in public schools because we have similar value systems.
I’m not disagreeing with you that there are extremists in Iran but not everyone in Iran is. We also have them here in the United States and in Mormonism.
lawrence says:
Dec 9, 2011
Um… I think Kara is referring to the horrible government oppression in Iran. It wasn’t a stab at Islam.
Steph says:
Dec 9, 2011
Let’s let Kara speak for herself. Last the time I checked, Iran’s government and religion are closely tied.
lawrence says:
Dec 10, 2011
Kara WAS speaking for herself. You misinterpreted what she was saying. Yes, the Iranian government and Islam are closely tied, that doesn’t mean that their oppression of the people is okay. Many of the Iranian people are deprived of some of the most basic civil rights. Are you saying that Islam justifies their oppression? Last time I checked I couldn’t find ANY justification for depriving people of their unalienable rights.
Kara wasn’t disrespecting Islam. She was referring to an unjust nation whose official name is “the Islamic Republic of Iran.”
BYUI Student says:
Dec 6, 2011
HORSES**T
Jen Wagner says:
Dec 6, 2011
I think I hate having to tuck normal jeans into boots, which I wear about 80% of the time that I’m at school. I think wearing jeans that are too small/tight is a problem, not necessarily skinny jeans. Skinny jeans should mean that the pants are just really tapered at the bottom. Unfortunately, too many people have ruined it for the rest of us. A big sarcastic thank you to all of those who wear too tight of clothing. Now I get to have weird bulges coming out of my boots in the winter.
confused says:
Dec 7, 2011
good one cowgirl
Alli says:
Dec 7, 2011
With boots on, no one would be able to tell that they are skinny jeans. I don’t go to BYU-I but I would still wear skinny jeans with boots anyway, since the one pair of skinny jeans I own for this purpose are not tight up top or revealing at all. No one would be able to tell they are tapered from the knee down since that area is covered up by the boots.
Luke says:
Dec 6, 2011
BYUI has taken it too far with this stupid rule.
Bryndee says:
Dec 6, 2011
when i registered for this school… and read the honor code… this “bsn of skinny jeans” was not in there. yeah not okay. thanks for driving away loads of students from Idaho. looks like ill be purchasing a nun suit!
Joe says:
Dec 7, 2011
You do realize that BYU-I turns down plenty of the applications for admission that it receives. If this small rule turns away a few people that cannot realize the awesome benefit that this school offers to its students, then it just makes more room for people that will. These are the same kind of people that murmured about the prophet’s counsel to wear only one pair of earrings, dress modestly, etc. If anything, they are sifting the wheat from the tares. And I commend them for that!
Elissa says:
Dec 7, 2011
Okay Joe, Obviously you aren’t a girl. It’s not like we didn’t want to sign up for this school, we know the honor code and still did. There is a difference between skinny yoga pants, and skinny jeans. Come on, what are we supposed to wear, boy jeans? sweat pants? I honestly can say not all of my jeans are skinny, but for girls jeans are jeans and from the knee up, they are all the same tightness. I didn’t think the BYUI dress code would be hard to follow anyway, but now I should probably just get some overalls. Oh and P.s. the fact that some of us ARE complaining about this argument, shows that we still want to attend this school right? ‘Cause honestly if we didn’t care, this wouldn’t be a problem in the first place. BYUI is a good school where we can still be in a church environment without all of the wordily college crap that are at other universities. This just took modesty way too far
Sharon says:
Dec 6, 2011
If you don’t like the rules, go to another school. Enough Said!
AC says:
Dec 7, 2011
@ Sharon- Although you said if you don’t like it go to another school, it isn’t that easy to just pick up and MOVE find another AFFORDABLE school (with a good spiritual environment, which skinny jeans is not ruining) that TRANSFERS all your credits seamlessly. And although yes BYU- Idaho is a great school it is frustrating that they are going BEYOND what it says in the For the Strength of Youth (which does say no tight or revealing clothing, but says nothing about no shorts. It says “no short shorts” yet BYU- I still does not allow, but they have taken it one step further by banning a type of pants as well). BYU- Idaho allows skirts which actually show skin whereas skinny jeans just show the outline. It’s like the Pharisees who would build rules around rules, even if the second set of rules didn’t come from the Lord. And although when you go to BYU- I you agree to an honor code, it is frustrating that they change it with no warning and no adjustment period. The question here is not should people switch schools. It is the VALIDITY of the rules, and the logic.. or lack thereof in them. And although to most people BYU- I is affordable to most people, you have no idea what situation someone is going through, or how many people they have to support, so maybe think twice about telling someone what is and what isn’t affordable! Until a Prophet of the Lord tells me not to wear skinny jeans I WILL WEAR THEM!!!
Sharon says:
Dec 6, 2011
Oh and Britney, BYU-I is NOT expensive! You are very blessed to be able to attend there! There are lots of people that apply and would like to attend and they would be willing to obey the rules.
Spence says:
Dec 6, 2011
Occupy BYUI!!!!
Shplaine says:
Dec 7, 2011
Yeah I assumed most of the crybabies here are part of the “me” generation that is “occupying” cities. You guys don’t understand that if you don’t like something, don’t participate in it. If you don’t like evil banks, don’t use one. If you don’t like BYU-I standards, don’t attend. Wow that was easy. I saved you a few weeks of not showering and camping out on campus
Tyler D. says:
Dec 6, 2011
It’s nice to see that nothing has changed with the students at BYU-I….still complaining about the honor code. Students were complaining when I was there from 2002-2006 and apparently nothing has changed. Here’s a piece of advice….the Honor Code isn’t going away. Period. All the complaining isn’t going to change anyone’s mind. If you don’t like the honor code, then leave. Take your schooling someplace else. No one is forcing you to be there. Give up your place to someone who truly wants to be there. You knew that the school had an Honor Code BEFORE you got there. Remember the whole ecclesiastical endorsement you had to get and there was this one little question about the Honor Code and how you AGREED to live by it? Did you think that they were kidding? Did you think that they weren’t going to enforce it? It’s time to grow up and start taking some responsibility for yourselves.
not in rexburg says:
Dec 7, 2011
it’s funny, but you are dead wrong. at byu provo, you couldn’t wear shoes without socks back in the early 1980′s, and there were protest and complaints to the point that it was overturned. so, stop being such a baby. you don’t know what you can get until you ask for it, and that IS a gospel principle (read bible dictionary on prayer for one). also, this doesn’t look like a real school policy, just a department at testing, and with all the negative press it will probably be addressed shortly. also, nobody likes you.
ac says:
Dec 7, 2011
yeah ya!
Shplaine says:
Dec 7, 2011
I wish students were more focused on graduating and receiving an education than trying to change the honor code. Crying about wanting stinky feet not wearing socks and wanting tight pants. The only thing I disagree with our church leaders on is when they talk about my generation and how great they are. We’re a bunch of crybaby me-monsters.
Marteena says:
Dec 7, 2011
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Brit says:
Dec 7, 2011
You’re not very nice! My advise: calm down and realise that the BYU honor code is stricter than a lot of kids that want a BYU education are used to.
Jeff says:
Dec 7, 2011
It doesn’t matter if it’s stricter than a lot of kids are used to. His point is YOU KNEW WHAT YOU WERE SIGNING UP FOR! And yes, they are going to enforce it. Being an alumni, I can honestly say that I was asked to leave the testing center at time or two. I was also informed indirectly by a professor that he would not tolerate dress code violations for not shaving. So guess what, I didn’t really like it, but I still complied because I wanted the education. And like many other people have said, if you don’t like it, go somewhere else. There are many other schools where you can wear whatever you want to.
Chuck says:
Dec 7, 2011
They signed and agreed to live the honor code before they added this rule but thanks for being a great leader and example. I can tell you really lead with love and that your horse is higher than anyone elses. Graduated in 2006 and your probably not married still. I don’t even own skinny jeans but the way you talk to these kids isn’t going to help anyone change their mind. Lead with love and help them understand the rules.
Erik says:
Dec 7, 2011
It’s a good thing they make girls act modestly, as a man I have no ability to control myself if I see just one curve.
Eric says:
Dec 7, 2011
They should just cover up women entirely so we don’t have to see them!
Jenny says:
Dec 7, 2011
If you don’t like it, go somewhere else!
Eric says:
Dec 7, 2011
If only it were that easy Jenny..if only…
Shplaine says:
Dec 7, 2011
I know…you have to convince your mommy and daddy to pay more money so they can pay for your tuition at another school. ughhhhh life SUCKS!
Stuart says:
Dec 7, 2011
In all honesty, this is extremely concerning. Although this is a religious institution, there remains a need between separation of church and state. I think it’s great that universities are affiliated by the LDS church; I believe there is a place for pray and trying to learn with the spirit’s aid. However, this is ridiculous and creates a I’m-holier-than-though attitude, and I feel it’s disgusting.
Shplaine says:
Dec 7, 2011
You have no idea what you are talking about do you? What does “separation of church and state” have to do with a privately owned university? Do you even know where that phrase came from? Please say it’s in the constitution lol. Please continue to criticize the church leaders and trust me, the leaders pray about how the tithing money is used.
Steve says:
Dec 7, 2011
BYU-Idaho has always had a “holier that thou” attitude though. They think they’re a better institution than the other two BYU campuses, and you can see it with their curriculum, the dress code and how they don’t interact well with the entire town the campus sits in. BYU Provo isn’t nearly as strict with things as BYU-Idaho is, and I’ve experienced that first hand when visiting friends who attend BYU when I need a break from BYU-Idaho.
BILL says:
Dec 7, 2011
We do not feel Hollier than thou
If you look at the current curriculum, BYU and LDSBC have adopted things that have started here. We feel no more superior then them but rather a part of a bigger picture. Each school has their own unique rules and ways. They are private Universities and the one’s chosen to lead the schools have felt impressed in these rules for each schools unique setting.
ALSO
This rule is not adopted yet. It was simply posted to deal with issues in the testing center and not the campus. If you think about it, it is the end of the semester and students are coming for more tests and not as many classes, therefore simply coming from home and maybe not caring so much to follow other rules and rules are being slacked too far.
GarrettJ says:
Dec 7, 2011
Skinny Jeans: Lusty arousal pants of the devil.
Jen says:
Dec 7, 2011
Honestly, if you are transferring BYU-Idaho simply because you don’t like the dress code that is ridiculous. You chose to come here, even if they didn’t have this rule to begin with, so just obey the rules. I agree, the wording should be different to something more accurate because I don’t like seeing people, yes, girls and guys, wearing extremely tight pants. I also don’t enjoy the fact that girls think that dark tights are pants nowadays. Maybe if all of us read For the Strength of Youth and actually followed the dressed guidelines then we wouldn’t need new rules like these.
DEAR Jen says:
Dec 7, 2011
Dear Jen,
forcing students to do everything they say, does that sounds more like Christ’s plan, or Satan’s?
sincerely
just think about it
deardearjen says:
Dec 7, 2011
Agree!
Warby The Elf says:
Dec 7, 2011
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha, glad I bailed before this garbage happened!
BP says:
Dec 7, 2011
Same here my little elf friend. Same here.
Danny Perago says:
Dec 7, 2011
I have no problem with skinny jeans on either girls or guys and if you’ve got the body, they compliment your form.
What I hate in jeans is the saggy baggy look and they look just awful.
By the way, the long & baggy look in men’s athletic/casual shorts are another fashion trend that needs to get out the door ASAP.
Froggie says:
Dec 7, 2011
I think those long dresses worn by the FLDS women should fit the bill.
emily says:
Dec 7, 2011
if byui had their way, you are right. haha!
UtahStateStudent says:
Dec 7, 2011
I’m guessing the big deal is over jeggings, which are honestly not that modest. They are often worn with a short dress or skirt and then boots. Jeggings are skin tight, so I can see how they could be banned.
I assume that BYU-I will come out with a statement to clarify this rule and just ban SKIN TIGHT skinny jeans, not any jeans without a flair.
-Go Aggies!
But you’re ok too, BYU-I.
LedZep says:
Dec 7, 2011
That’s why I go to a real university now. No one should go to that insane school.
Kara West says:
Dec 7, 2011
I just feel so bad for these kids. If they are not given the freedom of thought to even decide whether a piece of clothing is too tight or not, how do we expect them to learn anything? Or is the goal to make them robots?
Will says:
Dec 7, 2011
I would like to see something official on this before everyone starts freaking out. It sounds to me like someone just got kicked out of the testing center on a personal agenda, which I have seen happen quite frequently.
Nick says:
Dec 7, 2011
So true. And that student just happened to be the one to make a fuss about it. I watched someone get kicked out for wearing jeans that were too tight and she just shrugged and was like “alright” and left. It’s not an official statement, that’s what people need to understand. The people in the testing center make the call and if they think your clothes are too tight they get to give you the boot. It’s not like this is a new rule. People just like twisting things and making them sound horrible so they can hate on us and our “crazy” beliefs and rules
Esteban says:
Dec 7, 2011
Being a student at BYU-Idaho this doesn’t really bother me. I admit that the differences between in Rexburg and Provo are a bit strange. I guess it’s hard for me to take much offense to this new (albeit unconfirmed) rule because I’m a guy and I don’t wear skinny jeans. I understand that for girls this is relatively detrimental news though. But everyone that goes to BYU-Idaho knows that for whatever reason things there are more strict than in Provo and undoubtedly every other school. It is what it is and you can either grow to appreciate it or go elsewhere. Understand that the administration doesn’t do it because they are trying to make their students’ lives miserable or because they walk around with their noses in the air playing ‘holier than thou’. They do it because they feel it’s what’s best for their students. During such proactive times I find it refreshing that a university is adding more rules rather than retracting them.
Matthew Miller says:
Dec 7, 2011
This is the kind of de-sexualized, over arching and fashio-facism that bothers me about these kinds of schools. What’s the point, and where’s the line? The school wants to rob its youth of their youth; they’d rather see kids wearing old frumpy 1950s garb than dare exercise any personal mote of individuality or express anything that might come off as individualizing. Surely this is too far, when will the youth wake up and realize the inadequacies in this kind of pop-moralism. There’s nothing that speaks in the way of ethics or of morality about the way you dress, especially when taken to this superfluous extreme. This is the kind of shallow religiosity that seriously bothers me, your dress, your style, your outward appearance – those things are minuscule, why does a religion so concern itself with that kind of myopic understanding of what it means to be a good person. Religious institutions are institutions first and foremost, and that presupposes a kind of hegemony – a measure of acceptance at bottom of the dominance concentrated at top. This is such garbage and insofar as your school makes this an issue I’d be willing to suggest your School and its ethics constitute a shallow and myopic interpretation of ‘the good, the just and the divine’. Will to power – old dead and dying people dictating to the young what is appropriate and what is not. Religion today is shallow, this is a symptom of that lack of depth – a natural outgrowth of a lacking genuine spirituality.
W. S. Buckleman says:
Dec 7, 2011
Most of the offending jeans would be those made with a proportion of spandex. Thus are you saying students (remember sexual discrimination suits are costly) can not wear pants containing spandex, which may be a good idea because they overheat the pores, provide little warmth and may deform the legs and hurt the posture of all ages and sexes?
C-Dog says:
Dec 7, 2011
I bet if they were called “slim-fit tapered leg” jeans there would be no problem. To those out of touch with culture “skinny” just sounds immodest! I bet they would ban skinny shirts, skinny shoes or skinny hats if such things existed.
Daniel says:
Dec 7, 2011
so true
Melinda says:
Dec 7, 2011
This is completely insane! leave it to the mormons to ban anything you might like! and judge u if u wear a particular cut of jeans… sounds like someone needs focus more on thyself!
Rachel says:
Dec 7, 2011
Going to BYU-I is a choice… and students know when they attend that there is an honor code/school policy that is followed. If people don’t want to follow it then they don’t have to go to the university. Simple as that.
sherry tucker says:
Dec 7, 2011
a non-morman did get a hold of this.
q: is the ban on “too skinny” jeans for both male and female students?
GREG says:
Dec 7, 2011
Nowhere in this article does it say the school actually banned skinny jeans. I am up here going to school in Rexburg right now and have not heard a single thing about this so-called ban. Not from the administration, not from teachers, not on any posters around campus, and not from any students. Student Review… you need a lesson on fact checking and misleading headlines.
Kiki says:
Dec 7, 2011
I think everyone who is complaining here is a pansy and whines WAY too much.It’s pants for heavens sakes!Also,this alleged new rule is no way even a part of the LDS religion,and therefore,has nothing to do with what Mormons believe.So get over yourself, get some friends and a life, and move on already!
KJohnson says:
Dec 7, 2011
Have skinny jeans been banned for males too or is this a bunch of sexist BS? Who gets to decide if they are skinny jeans vs. straight fit vs. sneaker fit? Gonna read the label? And we are disgusted by Burqa’s. We are getting ever closer……. Way to go BYUI, make Mormons look more like freaks. I’m sure the popular press won’t take this and run. Any bets on seeing it on John Stewart or Colbert?
jkhb says:
Dec 7, 2011
i cant believe im going there next month. i think i might actually just go to a community college now. **** this ***
Britney says:
Dec 7, 2011
SHARON try working three jobs and paying for your own things… yeah school is expensive on your own. take a hike
Gordon in Australia says:
Dec 7, 2011
The answer to all these women throwing temptation to the men at BYU and other LDS places: make them wear the burka!! That way the men won’t see them and be tempted to indulge in naughty behaviour or have naughty thoughts.
Bad girls! How dare you have breasts and figures that are different to men. Poor boys! By the way, are man boobs banned as well?
Anonymous says:
Dec 7, 2011
Brilliant.
Rainey says:
Dec 7, 2011
thank goodness i transferred from there. My TA who is teaching at my BYU classroom right now is wearing skinny jeans.
ADVICE TO BYUI STUDENTS: make good grades. transfer to BYU.
Hailee Maus says:
Dec 7, 2011
What bothers me most about this rule was the article in the Scroll (BYU-Idaho’s student newspaper) in which they published the letter posted outside the testing center BY THE MANAGER, which read, “If you have an argumentative attitude about the dress code, you are not being a disciple and you need to go home and pray to ask the Lord how to be a better disciple.” Today, I am wearing skinny jeans. Skinny jeans. Are they skin-tight? Absolutely not. Would I feel uncomfortable standing in front of the Savior in them? ABSOLUTELY not. Would I get turned away from the testing center in them? I DON’T KNOW! This is the other thing that bothers me about this new rule, because it is SO subjective! In the Scroll, one girl, completely oblivious to this new rule, was turned away from the testing center by an employee just before closing, despite the fact that his co-workers tried to convince him that her jeans (which were not skinny jeans, nor were they too tight) were just fine (she describes herself as “curvy”). Jean-tightness isn’t something that can be measured, like facial hair on a guy or inappropriate dress such as sweats. It’s subjective from employee to employee and based on THEIR judgement and THAT makes it a very unfair rule. Like I said before, I would feel comfortable in front of President Clarke, President Monson, or the Savior in my jeans, but I’m I’m nervous that I would get kicked out of the testing center in them. That’s ridiculous.
Matt says:
Dec 7, 2011
Obviously the real losers in all of this are the poor cowboys. RIP wranglers.
LT says:
Dec 7, 2011
Poor Clint. He wouldn’t even be able to take a test at BYU-Idaho. http://www.filmforum.org/films/morricone/For_Few_Dollars_More_8.jpg
Maggie says:
Dec 7, 2011
Sometimes, I eat too much. It’s a good idea not to eat. Logical fail.
Brad Candland says:
Dec 7, 2011
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nxw0_Pxymyk
Nate McBride says:
Dec 7, 2011
How awesome would it be if everyone just started wearing FLDS-style clothing? But really, how much clothing can they ban? Students are going to start showing up naked because every clothing article is banned.
We need to keep small commandments, not necessarily policies. BYU-I students should try to change this. Their dress code is soooooooo overkill. I’m glad I’m in Provo.
G-Money says:
Dec 7, 2011
This is why I left! everyone who is tired of the Nazi-like rules should transfer to BYU (Provo… they arent nearly as strict) or UVU. BYU-Idaho was awesome… but some things are just over the top…Like getting rid of Naked Juice and banning Skinny Jeans… College should be a place of freedom… to a point… if you dont like it.. protest by withdrawing and transfer to a new school.
Matty says:
Dec 7, 2011
Why is there no naked juice??
T-MONEY says:
Dec 7, 2011
Don’t go to UVU.
East Coast says:
Dec 7, 2011
Oh BOOHOO! Why don’t you go join the Occupy movement because it’s not fair that the 1% get to wear all the skinny jeans! WWAAAAH! Life is just soooo hard!
Hello! Grow up. You sound like a bunch of brats. You’re in college. You’re job is to be a student. You’re not at a party or frat house. Save your (rear-end emphasizing) skinny jeans for date night and wear regular jeans at school. Why? Cause it’s a job! Don’t be shocked when you get out into the workforce to realize that skinny jeans aren’t allowed in the work place either and they have dress codes you have to adhere too as well. Even more strict like pant suits..OOOHHH THE HORROR! And don’t faint but they also have Friday as Jean day…yes…jeans only on Fridays!! Oh dear! I’ve seen professionals called on low cut, too tight, too short here on the East Coast. So grow up and deal with it. If it makes you feel any better ask mommy and daddy for a pair of Jeans for Christmas instead of…dare I say it…an ipad.
lawrence says:
Dec 7, 2011
School does not equal the workplace. In the real world people are able to express themselves through what they wear. “Professional” attire should be reserved for professional settings… this school… not a professional setting, it’s a joke. So………. go to hell plz&thx ;*
Shplaine says:
Dec 10, 2011
you are such a sassy grouchy person. learn how to talk to people or stop taking those testosterone blockers
Luke says:
Dec 7, 2011
Hello? Yes, are you talking to me? I say! Let me put this in a perspective that you can understand. Say you go to a college and the administration suddenly makes a rule against wearing a boring generic Aeropostale or American Eagle shirt. You would be outraged right? Because you’re a boring person with no fashion sense who doesn’t care if they look like crap. Now, knowing that you’re a boring person who doesn’t know how to dress I’ll assume that you you think skinny jeans are jeans that are skin tight that little skater kids wear. Well, you’d be wrong. “Skinny Jeans” are simply fitted jeans that have a thinner cut than the Lee Dungaree mom jeans that you wear. So everyone is outraged because essentially the school is telling anyone who dresses well that they now have to dress like some sort of mindless cult member that only accepts fashion trends from the early 2000′s, listening to Limp Bizkit’s new album and looking for the hottest pair of Doc Martins. The point is not that the students aren’t allowed to wear jeans, if that were one of the stipulations of the honor code then that’d fine. The point is that the school is in effect telling everyone that they can’t wear pants that fit them. They must now wear baggy ill-fitting pants (of whatever type). And if employees on the East Coast are getting called on for wearing fitted pants, then it must be the hillbillies in Savannah Georgia. I’ll excuse your ignorance for now since apparently you think a pair of skinny jeans costs as much as… dare I say it… an ipad (idiot).
Marteena says:
Dec 7, 2011
“Clothes can’t be formfitting”…That’s what the honor code says…So, I don’t see anything new in this policy…
UteStudent says:
Dec 7, 2011
My gf goes there, and I think the only pair of jeans she owns are skinny jeans. Correct me if I am wrong, but does this only apply to the testing center? Like as in can’t you just wear them around everywhere if you want, so who cares right? I wonder what brigham young would think, so many students at BYUI and the U wearing the same fashions ha.
Camilla says:
Dec 7, 2011
Here is what I think. If this is an issue of modestly or revilement, lets think about something. I can understand shorts and above the knee shirt. They can be immodest, revealing and unprofessional at time. And can distract. So here is what I think. If my skinny jeans are revealing and give a man “immodest thoughts” then maybe our focus and banning should go towards some of the men at our school. If you have a problem when you look at me in JEANS and you get dirty thoughts…you should not be here. Maybe this should turn to a issue of who we are letting in if its that much of a distraction to some men out there. But our church is not against the wearing of jeans. Too far
NoLongerAtBYUI says:
Dec 7, 2011
I dont miss BYUI. I was there for one semester and HATED it. I now LOVE school, even though my school still has fairly strict regulations, they rules arent stupid. I laughed SO hard when I saw this article on facebook. I think its ridiculous. And I agree completely with the person who said they are only different from the knee down.
BYUI student living in 2011 says:
Dec 7, 2011
This policy shouldn’t worry anyone. BYU-Idaho also “bans” hats, shorts, jeans with holes and certain haircuts but unless you are going into the testing center, no one ever cares.
I still want a definitive answer: WHY DOES BYUI HAVE CERTAIN CLOTHING STANDARDS THAT BYU PROVO DOESN’T? They get the prestige, bigger campus and better town but we just have more rules. We are still keeping the honor code and thus our hands to ourselves. I just don’t get it. Four years and I don’t get it.
inconsistent Standards says:
Dec 7, 2011
EXACTLY!
Why does BYU Provo not have to live up to the same standards as BYUI?
It was that way 24 years ago when I went to Ricks and still it has not changed.
Kendra says:
Dec 7, 2011
The CES Schools have an Honor Code that they all follow but each school’s (BYU, BYUI, BYUH and LDSBC) administration will decide on the specific guidelines that their students to follow. So BYU-Idaho administration came up with their own set of guidelines. It is a higher law and if we follow it it won’t hurt us. And about this ‘ban on skinny jeans’ it is already in the Honor Code. “Clothing is inappropriate when it is sleeveless, strapless, backless, or revealing. It should not have slits above the knee or be formfitting.” Some skinny jeans ARE formfitting and inappropriate. Not all skinny jeans are inappropriate. I plan on still wearing my skinny jeans. I don’t feel that they are formfitting or inappropriate.
Depressed Mormon Mommy says:
Dec 7, 2011
The only thing zanier than a Zoobie…is an Idahoan Zoobie. My problem with the idea of this is that by making such a strict honor code, to a certain degree you remove the individuals’ agency. Why? Because they may just be doing it not to get kicked out, or to be able to get a good grade. Some of them may be following these rules for the right reasons, out of personal respect for themselves, and that I can respect no matter how odd the requirements, but when they are doing it out of forced measure…. It just seems to go against the whole idea of helping people to choose the right.
Shplaine says:
Dec 7, 2011
Their agency is still there to go to another school instead of crying about it. Heck, you guys are free to leave the church if you don’t like how it runs its schools and uses tithing
Kristin says:
Dec 7, 2011
Two Words: Private School.
Don’t like the Honor Code? Transfer. No one is forcing you to go there.
Courtney says:
Dec 7, 2011
If form fitting is part of the dress code then they should band all of those tight fighting shirts that girls where…YOU know which brand I’m talking about they layering ones…Shade and ModCloth and Downeast. SERIOUSLY!!!! THIS IS A JOKE!!!!!!!!
Shplaine says:
Dec 7, 2011
I love it, separate the wheat from the tares. BYU-I is a private university which means they set the rules which also means you don’t have to come here. Go cry about it at another university where you aren’t using tithing to subsidize your tuition. Sick of this crybaby generation. Go spend some time in the military like I did and you’ll appreciate the variety of clothes you can wear at BYU-I
Eric says:
Dec 7, 2011
You were in the military? Cool story, bro.
lawrence says:
Dec 9, 2011
^ THIS
Bella says:
Dec 7, 2011
could yall not bring religion in this if it was any other school no one would care
Josh says:
Dec 7, 2011
From “For The Strength of Youth: Dress and Appearance”
“Immodest clothing includes short shorts and skirts, tight clothing, shirts that do not cover the stomach, and other revealing attire.”
Tight is the same thing as skinny. No difference.
From: “For the Strength of You A Conversation with the Young Women General Presidency” Oct. 2007
How can For the Strength of Youth help parents and leaders answer the “why” questions?
Sister Tanner: I love For the Strength of Youth because it’s based on doctrine. Doctrine is eternal truth, set from before the foundation of the world. And standards are based upon doctrine, so the standards aren’t going to change either. They’re not something out-of-touch adults made up just to make life difficult. For the Strength of Youth states doctrine and standards probably clearer than any other resource. It also talks about consequences. So you can see what the eternal truth is, what it is we should do or should not do, and why we should or should not do it. This book can be a huge help to parents. Sometimes when I think, “I want to explain this correctly in understandable terms,” I go to that book, and the idea I need is encapsulated in a sentence.
Josh says:
Dec 7, 2011
http://web.byui.edu/devotionalsandspeeches/speeches.aspx
1973, Aug. 28 Pres. Eyring
from: Henry Eyring
to: Maureen O’Connor
date: Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 6:35 PM
subject: RE: Gawker Media Question: Skinny Jeans
Dear Maureen:
Purely by chance, after sending my earlier message I listened to a 1973 Ricks College/BYU-Idaho devotional address by my father, Henry B. Eyring, in which he articulates our rationale for modesty in dress. If you click on the attached link, search for 1973 addresses, and scroll down to 28 August, you can get the audio recording of the talk. His remarks about dress and grooming appear about ¾ of the way through. I hope that you find them helpful.
Thanks again,
Henry
BYUDancer says:
Dec 7, 2011
Ya’ll need to relax!! I’m glad they did this. They need to ban leggings as well. It’s a PRIVATE, RELIGIOUS school — you signed up for. You wanna show your body…go to the U.
Alyssa says:
Dec 7, 2011
they have banned leggings…
Shplaine says:
Dec 8, 2011
…no they haven’t. You just can’t wear leggings with mini skirts.
arndt says:
Dec 7, 2011
There are so many cases where the Jeans are way too tight! The original dress code was a lot more formal, would you rather have that?
BYU>BYUI says:
Dec 7, 2011
In all honesty, it’s one sign in the testing center, which is probably referring to ‘jeggings’. It doesn’t mean much of anything, and yet everyone is freaking out about it, and i’m tired of hearing about it. For all of you guys who think the world is ending and are overly criticizing the school, you’re wasting your breath, and you need an attitude check.
Cartman says:
Dec 7, 2011
I believe the correct answer is …. The mormons, yes, the mormons
Jack says:
Dec 7, 2011
Are we talking below the knee or above?
Below the knee: exposed lower legs from skirts are allowed, what is the problem with jeans of any tightness?
Above the knee: in that case, every overweight person on campus is breaking the honor code.
I've had it with this church says:
Dec 7, 2011
I think that if Henry J Eyring says we should do it. It was most likely god that told him we should
lawrence says:
Dec 7, 2011
Or he’s just an overzealous leader of an educational institution. Contrary to popular belief, it IS okay to question your leaders.
Shplaine says:
Dec 8, 2011
Thank goodness our church membership consists of the enlightened individuals such as yourself that won’t follow or agree with a standard unless it makes 100% sense to them. Forget praying about it. Faith? Who needs it when you’re that smart. I bet your bishop enjoys having you around, always there to second guess his counsel. Awesome
Lawrence says:
Dec 8, 2011
Oh, it’s you again.
There’s a difference between a bishop and the administration at BYUI. One is a judge in Israel, the other is a group of men who are paid to run an educational institution.
On a different note, what ever happened to agency and allowing the spirit to help dictate my own standards? I wear slim fitted pants to the temple and yet I’m still worthy to enter based on the standards the Lord has helped me set for myself. Man looketh upon the outward appearance but the Lord looketh on the heart.
caliguy says:
Dec 9, 2011
Henry Eyring is a Stake President on campus here at the school. I believe that makes him higher than a bishop. People need to stop bickering over this whole mess honestly. BYUI isn’t the bad person here it is all you who in the church that choose to bicker and argue over policies that don’t exist. Worry about things that more concern your eternal salvation and not a rule that has been rumored to exist by some people that do not attend the campus of BRIGHAM YOUNG UNIVERSITY IDAHO. Please stop ridiculing our Administration also because honestly if they aren’t responding to your messages they don’t care what you think or just have more important things in the jobs and families to care about.
lawrence says:
Dec 10, 2011
I’m aware that Henry Eyring is a stake president here in Rexburg, which means he has stewardship over his stake. Those in his stake should sustain and support him in his calling. Just because he’s a stake president doesn’t mean that I should agree with every decision he makes as an administrator at the school.
Many rumors are based on truth. The testing center was in fact enforcing “no skinny jeans.” But the issue isn’t about skinny jeans, or what I can or can’t wear. It’s about the school trying to control every aspect of our lives (very similar to Satan’s plan). The testing center taking this specific rule into their own hands is just and example of how BYUI coerces the students to do what the administration thinks best.
Also, how am I ridiculing the administration? Because I don’t agree with everything they do and I voice my opinion? Since when did that become ridicule?
Lastly, “…if they aren’t responding to your messages they don’t care what you think or just have more important things in the jobs and families they care about.” So basically you are saying that they don’t/have no reason to care what the students think, or how they feel about specific issues? I agree, they don’t care. But they should and shame on them for not.
The administration is not God. They are not the voice of the church. They are simply a group of men hired (even if by inspiration) to run the school. I should be able to express my opinions or question what they do without being labeled rebellious.
Shplaine says:
Dec 10, 2011
President Hinckley was the person who decided that Ricks was becoming BYU-I. Do you think that the Brethren would allow a standard to be set on campus that wasn’t in line with the teachings of Jesus Christ? They give the final say on what goes on at this school. And in case you weren’t aware, tithing money is spent on campus on every person and on every building. Do you think that the administration gets some authority to use that money?
“what ever happened to agency and allowing the spirit to help dictate my own standards? Who took away your agency? Are you forced to follow the honor code? That’s like trying to argue that you are forced to be baptized if you want to enter the Kingdom. Nobody is forcing you to follow the honor code but if CHOOSE to go to school here, you also choose to follow the honor code. Nobody is stopping you from setting your own standards, but you are severely misguided if you think the church teaches that you to live your own standards rather than the standards of the gospel
You said “Lastly, “…if they aren’t responding to your messages they don’t care what you think or just have more important things in the jobs and families they care about.” So basically you are saying that they don’t/have no reason to care what the students think, or how they feel about specific issues? I agree, they don’t care. But they should and shame on them for not.”
I recommend a talk called “Talk to the All-Church Coordinating Council” by President Packer. Go ahead and see what that talk says about your little crying rant here. I dare you! I’ll come and check back later and see if you criticize the President of the 12
AC says:
Dec 7, 2011
If you think it is from God… yes we capitalize His name, then why did you put your name as I’VE HAD IT WITH THIS CHURCH?
Buddy the Elf says:
Dec 7, 2011
Quit complaining…that doesn’t solve anything. If you don’t like it then go somewhere else.
B says:
Dec 7, 2011
Are they going to sell these in the University store??
http://cdn-www.i-am-bored.com/media/52606_fatjeans42.jpg
emily says:
Dec 7, 2011
skinny jeans have been around for a while, they are not a fad that is coming and going. they are a basic wardrobe stable. i am a mom of 2, used to be a student at byui and my husband is still a student at byui with one semester left, we have always disagreed with the dress and grooming standards and we are just normal, non confrontational people. banning skinny jeans? seriously? next they will ban jeans all together. i completely disagree with their decision to ban skinny jeans. maybe they can just ban jeggings, because those are really thin and can show a bit more than most would like to see, but skinny jeans altogether? come on byuidaho. seriously. i say we have the same dress code as BYU provo. STUPID!
Dave says:
Dec 7, 2011
How many years until BYU-I starts issuing mandatory shadoors and hijabs. Woman should show nothing, except for their eyes, and even then that’s pushing it.
I don’t get it. Why are there different standards at BYU-I than the other schools? Is it some kind of reform camp for seminary drop-outs?
And if I have to read another “you chose to come here” comment, I’m gonna gag.
Joe says:
Dec 7, 2011
You chose to come here. You may commence gagging. Afterwards, quit whining, grow up, and by all means, get yourself to a different non-private university.
Anonymous says:
Dec 7, 2011
Get some style.
Josh says:
Dec 7, 2011
Really people. If you don’t like it then go to a different school, probably one that isn’t a private university. When you go to BYU-I you sign that you will follow the rules set by the school so it’s your fault that you are upset about these rules because you failed to read what you signed. Granted, this is a new thing that is going on, but the school has the right to add and remove rules when they feel it is necessary. So how about you actually practice your agency and transfer to a different school and stop complaining.
Joe says:
Dec 7, 2011
Hear Hear!!!
emily says:
Dec 7, 2011
there are MUCH MORE IMPORTANT THINGS FOR BYU IDAHO TO BE WORRYING ABOUT!!!!! like the kids who are selling drugs, or doing much worse things than having a few holes in your jeans or having your jeans hug your legs from the knee down (skinny jeans). PLEASE BYUIDAHO, FOCUS ON WHAT’S REALLY IMPORTANT! STOP WORRYING ABOUT POINTLESS ISSUES! they are taking way people’s right to express themselves freely through their fashion/choice of clothing (with modesty).
Joe says:
Dec 7, 2011
You say you want them to worry about drugs? You complain about a small rule at the testing center, but you want them to enforce more strict rules? Think about what you say. If there is such an uproar over such a small thing, what do you think would be the result of BYU-I police knocking on your door once a week to search your apartment for drugs or test you for drug usage? And do you really think that that is the role of the faculty here? To act as police? Wow!!! The arguments I see here really are not thought through. Think before you type, Em (and use less CAPS lock).
Stacey says:
Dec 7, 2011
I’ve never owned a pair of skinny jeans nor had the desire to buy a pair. I believe that BYU-Idaho is just trying to prepare its students to dress more professionally. Well dressed and well groomed young adults will make a better impression in the workplace.
Amy Johnson says:
Dec 7, 2011
No, the honor code has been signed. They are changing it. So now the students have the option to stay or leave. If they don’t want to stay, they can leave. Even if they don’t want to stay because of the honor code.
MATT says:
Dec 7, 2011
“Some girls are trying to wear skinny jeans three sizes too small — it’s a good idea to not wear them at all,” Taylor said.
Yeah, pretty sure that isn’t allowed, either. Although I am not opposed.
MATT says:
Dec 7, 2011
These rules are most likely made by sexual deviants who cannot control their own thoughts, and therefore believe that nobody else can either.
Brian Brazoot says:
Dec 7, 2011
They should ask themselves, is “docking” possible in skinny jeans?
Keith says:
Dec 7, 2011
Docking was invented by mom jean wearers
Joe says:
Dec 7, 2011
No guy should be wearing skinny jeans…it’s laughable how they look.
anonymous says:
Dec 7, 2011
They’re hot. Maybe you just don’t look good in them. Don’t be jealous.
Brit says:
Dec 7, 2011
I am totally LDS and I went to BYU-I for a semester and hated it. I cried every day I was so miserable! The rules there are OUT OF control. I felt like a little child that couldnt make MY OWN decisions.
Michelle says:
Dec 7, 2011
I’d just like to make a correction to this article. You said that this is an addition to BYU-Idaho’s Honor Code, however this change has been made by the testing center to the apparel, or type of apparel the testing center does not allow. The school itself has not “banned” skinny jeans. For those who complain and are students here at BYU-Idaho, I think it’s a shame. The Beach Boy’s sang “Be true to your school” and what has happened to that? If we can’t follow the little things, what makes you think you’ll be able to handle a big change. And to the person who said this rule makes our religious institution of higher learning seem more “holier than thou”, it really doesn’t. It isn’t the school as a whole making this change, it is just the testing center. Because so much has come from this one article in a school paper I’m sure the school will address the situation, but until then I think it is important to not complain. It really isn’t THAT big of a deal. We are privileged to attend a school where the tuition costs are VERY affordable compared to other universities. Our housing and tuition costs for attending BYU-Idaho, are cheaper than JUST tuition costs at most other universities. So we can read the articles and have our own opinions of what is happening, but let’s not be hateful or aggressive about it. If you go here and have an issue, that is what the Student Voice run by the SRC on campus is for, they hear you out and discuss what you have to say.
summer says:
Dec 7, 2011
About time!
Emma says:
Dec 7, 2011
Its about time you suck my “spiritual baby maker”
alexa says:
Dec 7, 2011
like
Sam says:
Dec 7, 2011
I’m a size 32″, but that is too skinny to get admitted into BYUI apparently. I guess I must live in sin at some other college or university. And here I thought all along we came to earth to gain a physical body. What was I thinking by not showing I sat through one too many meetings with my physical body that I came to get?
UNLV student says:
Dec 7, 2011
hahhahahaha sucks for you guys…
BYU-I Student says:
Dec 7, 2011
Probably the most retarded school you can apply for… Don’t apply here people. It SUCKS
Shplaine says:
Dec 8, 2011
What’s even more retarded is a person who thinks the school is retarded yet attends like they’re forced to. That is retarded. I’m sure if you ask mommy and daddy really nice for Christmas they’ll pay your tuition at another school
caliguy says:
Dec 9, 2011
why are you still here if it sucks? You must be interested in something if you are still attending?
BYU-Idaho Student says:
Dec 7, 2011
Okay first of all, you people in Utah have no idea what is going on here in Idaho…Clearly. We are not supposed to wear skinny jeans in the TESTING CENTER because they are too tight. They are not banned from the entire campus. I still wear them around and I don’t get in trouble. So…now you know what’s going on. Okay?
Colton says:
Dec 7, 2011
SINNER!!!
Jaime says:
Dec 7, 2011
If it’s tight enough that you can see underwear or garment outlines, it’s too tight. Leggings, skinny, jeans, shirts….
BYUcougs says:
Dec 7, 2011
TOTALLY AGREE!
unless you wear a thong
Nicole says:
Dec 7, 2011
Are you kidding me? Is this a joke? Are they trying to get students all excited? I understand other things on the honor code, but I don’t understand this “new” rule. Hahahahahahahaha I work at the buckle in Idaho falls,selling jeans all day. Good luck knowing what type of jeans they are. ALL jeans are fitted on the top half or thigh up and then the bottom openings of the leg change. What about girls wearing boots? How are you going to tell? Just saying, this is very confusing…
Steve says:
Dec 7, 2011
I’m ashamed that I chose to attend this school instead of staying in school down in Texas. I knew about the honor code, but I had no idea that it’s enforced with a Nazi-like attitude. It’s a good thing this semester is almost up, because after this I’m out of this place and going back to a real university.
Joe says:
Dec 7, 2011
We won’t miss you either
Will says:
Dec 7, 2011
Read the emails from the 2 Vice Presidents of the university:
http://gawker.com/5865693/mormon-college-bans-skinny-jeans
devon says:
Dec 8, 2011
ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!!!!! Nazi like ohhhh my, wow, you have no idea how strict it could be.
Sam says:
Dec 7, 2011
I am curious what the minimum BMI is? Must you be above a 30? 35? Just want to have a definition for what is “too skinny”, that’s all.
Kelsey Carlisle says:
Dec 7, 2011
So, This is so sad to me that all of you guys are tearing down a school, that A. makes education possible, and B. encourages and supports you as a person and in your religion. Ok, so you can’t wear skinny jeans.. it sucks.. but ladee freaking da. Be grateful that they discount your admission so that you can afford to go to school. Be grateful that they create a safe, nurturing, and fun campus for you folks. My sister went to BYU-I for over 6 years and obtained 2 degrees from there; where as I went to Oregon State University where I waisted over 60,000 dollars on rent. I was surrounded by parties, girls who wore far far less than shorts, and tank tops. Remember President Hinckley’s 6 B’s. the primary one. Be grateful. Be grateful for what you have. The grass is always greener on the other side right? You have a problem? freakin shut up, stop dissing your own stinkin religion and transfer. Stop complaining and just go with it.
Keith says:
Dec 7, 2011
I say eat, drink and wear skinny jeans because tomorrow we find out religion is all bull**** anyway… With every fiber of my being. In the name of jesus christ gAyMEN.
Emily says:
Dec 7, 2011
BYU-Idaho is an amazing school. I am disgusted by the majority of these comments. People have the choice to attend BYU-Idaho or not. If you choose to attend BYU-Idaho you choose to follow the Honor Code. Those who don’t agree with the honor code or who have such bitter feelings towards it should simply go to a different school. I strongly believe that BYU-Idaho is such an amazing school because of things like the Honor Code. I feel bad that not everyone can see the blessings of obedience.
Kellie says:
Dec 7, 2011
#1 THIS ISN’T A NEW RULE. It is NOT official so stop freaking out over something that has NOT happened.
#2 I would like to quote my cousin’s thoughts on the issue because it is 100% true and will clear up all the false rumors happen out there in cyberspace.
“I fully agree and comply with the honor code and dress and grooming standards set by the school. They are standards that I live on my own, and I don’t mean to put down anyone that lives by it. My problem is that the testing center is trying to tell us that we aren’t good LDS people if we wear tight fitting clothing. The sign they originally posted was, “If your pants are tight enough to see the shape of your leg, your pants are too tight. The CES Dress and Grooming Standards state that: ‘Clothing is inappropriate when it is formitting.’ Skin tight clothing is NOT appropriate. If you have an argumentative attitude about the dress code, you are not being a disciple and you need to go home and pray to ask the Lord how to be a better disciple.” This is wrong. Yes, the testing center holds the students to certain standards, which is good and right, but, when they put signs up telling the students to go home and pray about what they are wearing, they are infringing upon my agency. Formitting clothing isn’t appropriate and, honestly, not very attractive. However, skinny jeans, when worn correctly, aren’t revealing or formfitting. I don’t wear clothing out of rebellion, and I know that what I wear every day is in accordance to the standards of the Church. The thing that bothers me most is that the manager of the testing center believes that he knows what is right for each individual. He said, “If a student prays and they think that the tight ‘formitting’ clothing[in this instance's case, skinny jeans] is accepted by the Lord, they have not asked, or have not asked the right question, or they have chosen an answer for their own gratification. I don’t believe the Lord would give approval to anyone to be disobedient to the CES Dress and Grooming Standards.” His statement is based off of the fact that the CES standards are doctrine. This is NOT true. He doesn’t have any jurisdiction about what goes on in my prayers and what I know to be true or untrue. I support this school and its standards, but not the people that are going to be ignorant.”
Lastly, if you don’t like BYU-I then leave the school! The school can do without your contribution.
Merry Christmas says:
Dec 7, 2011
There are places in the world where people spend most of their day worrying about if they will have enough food to eat or clean water to drink, our economy in America is threatened worse than it has ever been in our history, and BYU-Idaho is worried about kids wearing skinny jeans… I’m sure this will look great while the world is once again taking a hyper-focused look at Latter-Day Saints thanks to the 2 Presidential candidates running right now. Maybe if we are lucky we can shift the discussion back to why people around here put carrots in jello or the merits on how impressive it is that polygamous women get their hair to look like that without using hair spray.
Joe says:
Dec 7, 2011
There is this enormous sense of entitlement creeping in that prophets have been warning us of for a long, long time. If you don’t like the rules of BYU-I or respect what its leadership is trying to do, then ship out. Go to a higher-priced unsubsidized (by tithe-payer money) school with frats and the disgusting things of the world. I think there’s a tendency for students here to forget just how awesome BYU-I really is. I went to four different colleges before settling down here. And this is the best, by far! Yes, the rules are strict. They are designed that way to ensure a high-quality education where the Spirit, “which will manifest unto [us] the truth of all things,” can thrive.
Bonnie says:
Dec 7, 2011
Women in the church work hard to be modest. How hard is it to find jeans that come up high enough to cover under garments? Or find under shirts (shirts UNDER our shirts) to cover up shorter sleeves, lower neck lines, and to make sure we are covered when we move, sit, and LIVE. We have to buy clothes “of the world” and but yet make sure we are modest and attractive. Now on top of this, BYU-I (and maybe BYU soon) is banning skinny jeans (or at least in the testing centers)? What’s next..? It’s not about this-school-is-affordable-so-deal-with-it, it’s not about this-is-a-private-school-and-they-can-make-whatever-rules-they-want. It’s that fact that this is an LDS school from which the religion preaches the gift of free agency, yet is taking agency away from those who are trying their best to dress modestly. This is where people should be free to interpret for themselves what “don’t wear clothing that is too revealing” means, just like they are free to determine what it means to live the Ten Commandments. Sure it might be a gray area, but that’s part of agency. and P.S. Stacey — I’ll keep looking professional (yes I work in a marketing company as a mid-level manager) in my skinny jeans paired with a blazer and heels. Thanks.
BYUStudent says:
Dec 7, 2011
Agreed! And I don’t think BYU will be imposing bans on skinny jeans ever, no worries!
Nate says:
Dec 7, 2011
Teach them correct principles (Modesty)…AND LET THEM GOVERN THEMSELVES!
Marcus says:
Dec 7, 2011
I think if Jesus were living today in the mountain west, he would clash hard with church leaders.
lawrence says:
Dec 7, 2011
^THIS
Rofl@LDSchildren says:
Dec 7, 2011
The Mormon church would probably crucify jesus if he was alive today Marcus…
ROLF@thisguysusername says:
Dec 7, 2011
^
Will says:
Dec 7, 2011
Read the emails by the two Vice Presidents of the school. You guys are freaking out over nothing! Someone who works at the testing center was probably just on a personal agenda.
http://gawker.com/5865693/mormon-college-bans-skinny-jeans
Brock says:
Dec 7, 2011
I’m wondering when they will let the students chose for themselves. Children with over protective parents usually don’t come out right.
Anonymous says:
Dec 7, 2011
Whoever wrote this article needs to realize that this has been around for a very very long time. They didn’t just recently ban skinny jeans. Read the dang honor code.
Katie says:
Dec 7, 2011
Mormons are so ****** up.
Shplaine says:
Dec 8, 2011
starred up? That sounds kinda cool
Courtney says:
Dec 7, 2011
I think the only rational thing to do is for everyone to start wearing Pioneer or FLDS dresses. Because most Mormons I know wear tight fitting clothes…jeans that art tight, shirts that are tight, dresses that are tight, and I’ve worn them all too! No one has ever told me that was immodest, not a single bishop or church leader…I think what is most shocking here is that BYUI thinks they are better then BYU. They have ridiculious rules like no flip flops, or overalls…BYU doesn’t do that…so make the new dress code FLDS dresses
Shplaine says:
Dec 8, 2011
I know because the only two choices in the whole world are skinny jeans and pioneer dresses. Before skinny jeans, it was terrible because girls just ran around naked because they had nothing to wear. I’m sure you are freaking out just thinking about what you will wear to your first job interview.
Pudding says:
Dec 7, 2011
““Some girls are trying to wear skinny jeans three sizes too small — it’s a good idea to not wear them at all,” Taylor said.”
Taylor, you take yours off first!
Colton says:
Dec 7, 2011
Taylor is just jealous that she is fat and cant wear skinny jeans.
Guess I will start rocking girl jeans again since skinny jeans are no longer allowed
Taylor's Boyfriend says:
Dec 7, 2011
Colton, good luck finding a piece of meat as red hot as Taylor, you cross dressing troll.
Nathan says:
Dec 7, 2011
BYU-I is a privately funded institution. Therefore they may regulate the dress code in whatever manner they deem fit. When a student signs the honor code, he or she signs a contractual agreement to abide by the standards within that code. BYU-I has banned flip-flops/shorts/facial hair (with a few exceptions). These rules are very straight forward and easily enforced. One is wearing flip-flops or one is not. One is wearing shorts or one is not. A young man has unauthorized facial hair or is clean shaven. The difficultly with this potential ban on skinny jeans, to be implemented in the honor code, is its ambiguity. How skinny is too skinny? Reasonable minds will likely differ on what is too skinny. With such a subjective question (What is too skinny?), enforcement becomes extremely difficult and sensitive, especially involving a personal matter such as clothing. Will one professor’s interpretation of “too skinny” be consistent with another professor’s interpretation? Likely not. Will one proctor’s interpretation of “too skinny” be the same as another’s? Likely not. Bottom line, BYU-I has evey right, EVEN A DUTY, to implement rules/standards as they see fit to maintain the integrity of the institution. The only problem with this one is the ambiguous nature of the phrase “skinny jeans.” My suggestion, is to follow what Joseph Smith prescribed… “Teach them correct principles (Modesty in this context), and let them govern themselves.”
Jolyn Laney says:
Dec 7, 2011
Thank you for your thoughtful comment. Let them govern themselves.
Hanana says:
Dec 7, 2011
Skinny jeans cause poor circulation, varicose veins, yeast infections, and sometimes infertility in men according to several studies. Furthermore, this unfortunate fashion is frequently overused by everyone including people that are not flattered by the figure hugging style. Since you have chosen to attend a private, conservative, religious university, more regulations shouldn’t be a big surprise.
lawrence says:
Dec 7, 2011
“This unfortunate fashion…”
Dear Hanana-
You obviously know nothing about fashion.
<3
anonymous says:
Dec 7, 2011
I agree with you Lawrence. <3
whining is for pansies says:
Dec 7, 2011
Wow, people are really overreacting. There has been no official statement from BYU-Idaho banning skinny jeans, so stop freaking out. This article was written because a student wore too tight of pants to the testing center. I really don’t think “skinny jeans” are banned. The only thing that is banned is the same as always: don’t wear super tight clothing. I’m pretty sure we all have the common sense to know what is appropriate and what is not. So use your heads you so-called “smart college students.”
BYUStudent says:
Dec 7, 2011
Reason #345678 I attend BYU
Shplaine says:
Dec 8, 2011
because you like seeing guy bulge? Kinda weird
Zach says:
Dec 7, 2011
You guys should get your facts straight, this has been part of the honor code for a LONG time.
For those that seem to think BYU-Idaho is being unfair in this:
Every student who goes to BYU-Idaho SIGNS A CONTRACT, saying that they will obey these rules. They go into this knowing already what they have to do. So for all of you whining about this being unfair, or dumb/whatnot….All the students attending this school agreed to this honor code. Get over it, when you sign a contract you accept the terms, anyone who argues otherwise does not accept responsibility and cannot come to the fact that these people are adults.
Brianna Bailey says:
Dec 7, 2011
Does this remind anyone else of footloose?
Jennifer says:
Dec 7, 2011
This is really really ridculous and not apart of what the church should be about….. Sad and stupid to have a dumb rule like that.
Shplaine says:
Dec 8, 2011
so should the church and the campuses only have rules you like? Only standards that you think aren’t stupid and dumb? Seriously ask yourself what you’re going to do later on in life when the prophet requires us to do something we don’t understand or don’t agree with. What ever happened to people praying for confirmation? Since obedience is the first law of heaven, I would expect us to be given every opportunity to show our willingness to be obedient to church leaders and the counsel they give. That is what I expect the church to be about
RJ says:
Dec 7, 2011
Maybe they should just have the students wear robes and sandals like Jesus did. Oh wait… those are already banned.
Brick says:
Dec 7, 2011
LOUD NOISES!!!
I Hate BYU Idaho says:
Dec 7, 2011
Wow BYU Idaho sucks and will always suck. I graduated from BYU Idaho but when asked where I graduated from I just say BYU cause adding Idaho is embarrassing and the things they do in Idaho are ridiculous and not needed. They say all these changes are from the “spirit” but its from men who are not inspired and use the “spirit” as an answer when they dont have any legitimate reason for their policies. Lets get back to the real spirit of BYU Idaho and try to act like BYU Provo the real BYU..
ByuForReal? says:
Dec 7, 2011
I’m LDS, and this is taking it too far. We are supposed to be all for “free-agency.” I would never go to a BYU campus.
Shplaine says:
Dec 8, 2011
so by you *choosing not to go to BYU-I, does that have anything to do with free agency? Anybody forcing a choice on any of the students to be there? I would recommend some studying of what free agency is
Kendra says:
Dec 7, 2011
Honestly, I just don’t understand why the dress code rules at BYU-I, BYU Provo, and BYU – Hawaii are so very different. Why is it against the honor code at byu-i to wear flip flops and knee length shorts but it is okay at BYU Provo and Hawaii?? Shouldn’t all church schools have the same honor code? Why would knee length shorts and flip flops ever be an honor code violation?? People who have been through the temple and wear the temple garment can still wear knee length shorts capris and even flip flops. So why this “holier than thou” dress code at BYU-I? Are students at BYU-i better than endowed members of the church? Are they better than BYU Provo and Hawaii students? I am confused? And skinny jeans, c’mon….there are plenty of skinny jeans out there that are perfectly modest. Honestly, people just need to know their true pant size and not try to fit into something that they shouldn’t be wearing.
Abigell says:
Dec 7, 2011
Most of the things we agree to and sign for in the honor code are just what is in the For Strength of Youth pamphlet and what prophets and leaders have taught. The dress code differences just mean that a more professional dress is expected (and yes, we do wear flip flops, etc., just not to campus). And differences between the CES schools are not limited to the Honor code- classes and programs offered are different too.
Rob says:
Dec 7, 2011
To all those complaining about the new policy: You’re paying 1/10 the tuition you would be paying at any other University. If you don’t agree with the “For Strength of Youth pamphlet”, leave BYUI and stop ruining it for others. Is it really that big of a deal? Grow up and stop making such juvinile comments! It’s pretty pathetic to hear all these comments.
REALLY? says:
Dec 7, 2011
Wrong. Church only pays for 64 precent of the cost. I think you may want to get your money’s worth and take a math class or a statistics class again. Last I checked 36 percent is closer to 1/3.
Shplaine says:
Dec 8, 2011
YEAHHHHH you totally smashed the point he was trying to make good job man. First off he didn’t mention what part the church pays, he was making a comparison of BYU-I’s tuition with other schools. Considering I paid about 1800 this last semester, that is pretty cheap compared to other schools. This comes out to around 5400 a year if I go year round, pretty cheap. Lets look at the cost of UC Berkley. This is from forbes “America’s most expensive colleges” article. It says Berkley costs about $53,933 a year. How about you use your math skills on that one
david olsen says:
Dec 7, 2011
What if because I workout and have big thighs which make all my jeans tight or skinny how is that fair?
Joe says:
Dec 7, 2011
Well, they are “form-fitting” clothing which is against the rules. Students should be able to govern themselves though. For those saying that they will leave the school because of dress standards, your really missing the boat because I (like many) had the most amazing time of my life at BYU-I. You will find few schools as wonderful and uplifting, if any.
Sydney says:
Dec 7, 2011
They’re probably just trying to get the boys to stop wearing them. Just sayin.
Joe says:
Dec 7, 2011
@Kendra I agree with you that there is a double standard there. I think just as long as they are worn modestly then there shouldn’t be a problem.
jake says:
Dec 7, 2011
makes byu provo seem like the land of the free. imagine that
Paul says:
Dec 7, 2011
This rule does not come from Church leaders and does not represent the Church.
I go to the University of Utah along with thousands of other faithful Latter-Day Saints, where people listen to the council of modern-day prophets and then follow the spirit when deciding how to dress. I go to Institute where all are welcome regardless of how they are dressed or groomed, where teachers don’t give out grades or test your scriptural knowledge, but focus on helping students feel the Holy Ghost. Personal worthiness is a private matter between the individual, his or her bishop, and the Lord, with no Honor Code office sticking its fingers in people’s business.
This is the religion I’ve a come to know as God’s Kingdom here on earth, not the puritanical theocracy that controls Rexburg and BYU-Idaho.
The Salt Lake City Mission is the highest baptizing English-speaking mission in the world. It’s no surprise.
Will says:
Dec 7, 2011
SKINNY JEANS ARE NOT BANNED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Read the emails from the 2 Vice Presidents of the university:
http://gawker.com/5865693/mormon-college-bans-skinny-jeans
Jack says:
Dec 7, 2011
Soooo glad i dont go there. What a joke, seriously is a little calf muscle definition bad? All this is doing is pushing people away from our religion and schools. If they are going to ban skinny jeans then they should ban skirts as well because obviously showing any skin other than the face, and hands is a sin. heck why don’t they just adopt turbans..
Kyli says:
Dec 7, 2011
Your thinking of a burka, a turban is simply a hat.
Han M says:
Dec 7, 2011
Oh my days! im a british student (i live in the uk too) studying for my degree and cannot believe how ludicrous this is! since when does the clothes that wear affect your faith? im sure your school should be focussing on more important issues than banning of the wearing skinny jeans which is hardly a crime. seems to me like certain faiths are nothing more than a narrow minded dictatorship!
jtown says:
Dec 7, 2011
hahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahaa
Hali says:
Dec 7, 2011
It would be one thing if all BYU schools had the same dress code/ban on clothing. I attended BYU-I and followed their standards. However, I never understood why BYU, BYU-Idaho, & BYU-Hawaii do not agree on the same clothing standards. I think this is going beyond the basic of what is needed.
Sharon says:
Dec 7, 2011
Students, I am an employee of the University, and just like you have a choice where you choose to go to school, I have a choice on where I work. If you don’t want to follow the Honor Code, go to another University. As a University employee, I am required to live the Honor Code and be worthy of a temple recommend. If I do not meet those requirements, I am will be fired. It’s a choice I make. It’s called LIFE. Stop feeling like you are ENTITLED to EVERYTHING. There are students every semester turned away who would gladly take your place if you aren’t willing to live the Honor Code. Stop whining and grow up!
Luke says:
Dec 7, 2011
The most demoralizing thing about BYU-Idaho is that if ever you disagree with any policy, protocol, rule, etc. then immediately you’re an ungrateful heretic who should be cast out because you have a difference of opinion. Surely you see the problem with this sort of thinking, or antithesis thereof. I assume that you, like many others at the school, don’t know what skinny jeans are. For a reference, see Clint Eastwood in any of his spaghetti western films. I’m sure you’d agree that his wardrobe isn’t unsavory, but as it’s worded those jeans are what the testing center is against. Now, I know that the purpose of the rule would be to not allow ultra tight jeans or jeggings from being worn. But it says “skinny jeans” which opens up a whole world of subjective judgement. As worded, the new standards are wrong, and so opinions should be voiced against it. If in LIFE everyone rolled over any time we saw something wrong and did nothing about it, then we’d all end up in Eastern Idaho, dreams crushed, spirit broken. No one feels ENTITLED to much, just to be able to not look like a boxy teenager from the early 2000′s devoid of any fashion sense. I suppose I could tailor my jeans so that I bring back the baggy pants look that adults loved (sarcastic) so much a decade ago, but then there would be a counter swing of the pendulum and we’d be back at square one. Although as a caveat, I would support the measure if ugg boots and doc martins were also put on the banned list, those look terrible.
Lawrence says:
Dec 8, 2011
Sharon, yes, we have a choice to choose where we go to school, and yes, we agreed to live by the standards the school has set for us. The frustrating thing is that the students don’t have a voice. The administration hears us, but they ignore us thinking that they know what’s best. It is a very unprofessional way to operate. Satan’s plan was to control every aspect of our lives. The school is succeeding in their attempt to control every aspect. What happened to agency and making decisions because of our desire to do right? I can only imagine how the people who leave this sheltered environment cope in the real world where they aren’t coerced to do the right thing.
Also, amen to everything Luke said… ESPECIALLY REGARDING UGG BOOTS.
jay says:
Dec 7, 2011
Next is yellow stars
anonymous says:
Dec 7, 2011
True.
TROLL says:
Dec 7, 2011
I hope they ban hipsters next!!
dee says:
Dec 7, 2011
I think the title of this article is completely misleading. No where in the article itself does it actually say it was a policy implemented. It’s just a reaction to a note (that an employee/individual put up at the testing center). There is a policy that there should be no form fitting or tight clothing and individuals can interpret this as they wish.
Even the part in the article with Elder Eyring’s quote is kind of taken out of context: The article makes it seem like he is addressing this policy issue directly, when really he is just answering someone’s question at a Q&A forum. His response about fashions coming and going can apply to anything. Never in the response does he say, “Skinny jeans are of the devil and should be banned.”
Will says:
Dec 7, 2011
The Student Review Article is FALSE!
Read the interviews from the vice presidents of the university in this article.
http://gawker.com/5865693/mormon-college-bans-skinny-jeans
Dona says:
Dec 7, 2011
The issue here isn’t the skinny jeans. The issue is discipline. You can find someone attractive in their ugliest pair of ratted pajamas or their most expensive ballgown and tuxedo.
I was never a BYU student, though many of my graduating class-members were. I earned my education in the First Gulf War as a soldier. And now more formally at another campus.
Discipline is a learned skill. Some of us learned it with a drill sergeant yelling in our face. The purpose of basic training being to tear you down so far you think you can’t survive any more and then to be led slowly back to better than where you started. You are never the same person you were before.
The dress code, and all other obligations agreed to at BYU-I are part of learning discipline. Not punishment, harassment, torture.
Ladies and gentlemen. I have spent 18 years in Law Enforcement both as a Military Policewoman and as a Federal Correctional Officer. I have seen cases of child abuse, domestic violence, and other horrors I wouldn’t wish on my worst enemy to have implanted in their brain every night when they go to sleep.
There are also soldiers every day who are putting their lives on the line so you can get get this education. Practice the religion you do to participate in a college that is funded through your religion. Every veteran at some point raised his right hand and signed a blank check with the government saying he would do what was asked even if it meant giving his life for his country and their people. Some of them will come home in flag draped coffins.
It is a cold, hard, brutal world. It takes some grit and discipline to survive. Something the discipline you are learning now you will need later. Do you really think having to rethink your wardrobe is worth all this?
LT says:
Dec 7, 2011
Agreed! I say we make everyone wear burlap sacks and yell at them kids when they complain about it! Break them doooowwwwn! Oh yeah! You hear us BYU-I students, we gon’ discipline y’all! You’re in my house now junior! There are Chinese kids living under a communist dictator who are told what they can and can’t wear everyday and you’re going to sit back and complain in your fancy pants about bein’ told what to wear and what not to wear, when that’s happenin’ to kids in other countries… can’t eat and what not? huh? Is that what you want? You want them kids in China to starve, all because you want to wear your Justin Bieber pants?! For shaaaaaaaame!!!!!!
Cassie says:
Dec 7, 2011
I go to BYU in Provo and honestly this article just kind of shocked me. I wear skinny jeans to classes, and yet I feel the spirit in my classes and the atmosphere is great here. I understand that some people don’t like skinny jeans as a fashion but it’s going too far when it’s forbidden. I also think the flip-flops and shorts policy is going a bit too far too. I understand that the school wants their students to look professional but here in Provo we wear all of those things and yet it is still a highly regarded school. When you put in too many rules you go from being a “respectable looking student body” to “the strict and weird school that doesn’t know when to stop making rules.” (And I’m not saying that BYU Idaho is a bad school. I have several friends going there and they love it.)
Dave says:
Dec 7, 2011
The Testing Center was probably sick of seeing the butt cracks of skinny jean-wearing girls–and boys. I hate sitting in class or taking a test and seeing people’s butt cracks. Say no to crack.
Blake says:
Dec 7, 2011
Skinny jeans don’t cause cracks to hang out. You should think things through before you comment.
Alex says:
Dec 7, 2011
i love seeing butt cracks…the butt cracks are the only reason i go to this school…
Sandra says:
Dec 7, 2011
If you didn’t go to BYU-I you can’t judge. First of all, BYU-I emphasizes a professional atmosphere. How we dress greatly affects how we feel and act. This is a PROVEN fact. When you go to the classrooms at BYU-I, you can feel this power in the room like students are ready to learn. It also shows respect for your teachers. and if you are upset about it. We don’t care. We want people who are willing to sacrifice and obey at BYU-I. In addition to inviting a professional atmosphere, this willingness to sacrifice and obey invites the spirit. BYU and BYU-I have different missions, and therefore how they interpret the honor code is different.
Blee says:
Dec 7, 2011
Why get all in a huff about this silly lil’ debate when you could be having a very amusing conversation about this fantastic guy?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ieWrWLjii0
Sara says:
Dec 7, 2011
To those who feel like BYU-Idaho is a cult: there are students from all over the country and all over the world that attend this University and enjoy it. I’m from a very liberal area in the Portland/metro area. My ideas are completely my own, and I’ve had plenty of opportunities to learn about the world’s views, especially since both my parents are very laissez-faire with religion and moral decisions. I chose to come to BYU-Idaho and nobody forced me. I chose to come to get an education. It has been a great environment where I can feel safe, I can attend my classes, and while sometimes the teacher’s opinions are loaded with Mormon-culture, I know that the Spirit guides me to discern truth from everything else. Just like any other university/place/situation in the world, I need to decide truth for myself and so far, the honor code has pretty much been aligned with this. I will continue to wear my skinny jeans as long as they are not distracting/immodest and if I’m asked to change, then I will and I will choose to not get offended. If somebody feels that their personal style is being restrained because of the honor code that does not mean there is anything wrong with them or their spiritual standing, it just simply means that they either need to change their wardrobe on campus or transfer.
UTAHAN says:
Dec 7, 2011
Too many people in the LDS religion are mindless sheep who follow the lead. How about you discover what you believe in your heart and then stick to it? Instead of having some bishop who knows nothing about your life tell you how you should act, what you should eat, what you should believe, ect.. Grow some back bone for god sake and stand up against this law if you disagree with it. And go out and experience the world instead of living with shutters over your eyes, because believe it or not i bet you have a new aspect on the world if you actually open up to it and its people and accept them no matter their religion or sexual orientation.
Matt says:
Dec 7, 2011
The testing center does not change university policy. If there was an actual change, you wouldn’t learn about it there.
Stacie says:
Dec 7, 2011
I am grateful for those in authority to forsee what is coming. If a ban on skinny jeans does occur it will be for the benefit of the students and their education not to punish anyone. If our only complaints in life are exams and to wear more modest clothing then is life really that bad? Let us be grateful for the ability we have to receive an education, have food to eat, and a roof over our heads. Instead of complaining about this topic and making comments that are not conducive to our beliefs, let us serve those that are in need. Let us not “seek the storms of life.”
Kyli says:
Dec 7, 2011
I recognize the desire for students to be modest and invite the spirit, but I would like to point out that the difference between a really tight flare and a pair of skinnies occurs after the knee, if someone is going to wear a tight pair of pants they will find a way.
Kristina says:
Dec 7, 2011
This is rediculous. Its common sense to know whats modest and whats not. Skinny jeans are not an issue.
If my dad thinks my jeans are fine, then they are fine. So I will continue to wear what I know is approprate for campus and myself.
Tiersha Whitmore says:
Dec 7, 2011
So can you not wear flared jeans? Those are form-fitting around the butt. Or is it the lower leg that is too tempting when it’s form-fitted? I don’t get it! I went to BYU-I nine years ago. Glad I go to UVU now, I can wear whatever I want
Kolobion says:
Dec 7, 2011
This is absurd. The church used to teach polygamy, salvation, men on the moon, racism (blacks and the priesthood), misogyny (it’s opinions of how women are worthless baby makers), now it’s jeans. Hopefully this will throw up some warning signs in regard to truth. Anyone who thinks this has something to do with “being obedient” do yourself a favor and look into cults, then start to think for yourself.
Blake says:
Dec 7, 2011
Now i can wear my depends diapers without people noticing. My skinny jeans didn’t hide the bulge that encompassed that region. Praise Mary!
Carl Winslow says:
Dec 7, 2011
Just leave the school and don’t throw a fit. You’re religion is a joke anyway.
Sean says:
Dec 7, 2011
Though I don’t disagree with you covering the subject, being an independent student newspaper does not exempt you from getting your facts straight.
Allow me to elaborate:
Paragraph 1
BYU-Idaho’s ban on tight fitting clothing is not recent. It has been part of the Dress and Grooming standards since at least 2008 (when I started going here). I’m sure that clause has been in there much longer.
Paragraph 2
The new sign does not simply read “no skinny jeans”.
It says, “‘Clothing is inappropriate when it is… form fitting.’ Skin tight clothing is NOT appropriate attire.”
Paragraph 3
How do you know it’s a polarizing issue? Have you conducted a survey of BYU-Idaho students to know this fact? If so, attribute it, if not, you are lying.
GOTSKINNY says:
Dec 7, 2011
You still have agency. Don’t buy skinny jeans, don’t wear them to the testing center, or don’t go to BYU-I. At no point were you ever denied the right to make a choice. If you make a choice to live the Honor Code, you give up some other freedoms that are enjoyed on other university campuses. That being said, I know first hand that the Testing Center employees were shocked and generally uncomfortable in the staff meeting where this was announced. Let me say further that those employees that ARE turning students away are acting outside of their permitted authority. They have been instructed to have the student read a slip of paper explaining that portion of the Honor Code, and then give them their test as they would normally, NOT send them home to change. While I may not agree with the new ‘clarification’ of the rules here, I do support the decision makers. Anyone who comes to a Church sponsored school under the illusion that it’s a democratic institution is incredibly naive. If you don’t like it, don’t go, because no one is forcing you. And in the giant picture, say the 30-year scheme of things, does it really matter if you have to wear a different pair of pants for a few hours so you can take your test? A rebellious attitude doesn’t do any good for anyone.
LegacyJane says:
Dec 7, 2011
Some people are saying some pretty weird things on here, but here’s how it is. Girls big and small have been wearing such thin spandexy pants that have back pockets, or just spandex altogether with boots and a long shirt to cover their booty, that the people making the rules have clumped skinny jeans and spandex in the same category. As someone said above, the honor code only refers to super tight or revealing clothing. Skinny jeans people, as long as you can breathe and I cant see your hamstrings or cellulite, should be fine.
Geoff says:
Dec 7, 2011
Well, if you don’t like it, there are a 1,000+ other universities you can attend. I graduated from there and wish my graduate school had a similar code – they could call it the Hygiene Code.
If a pair of jeans offends you from attending a fine institution and learning valuable lessons and learning in an incredibly spiritually environment, then good riddance, you are wasting a spot that someone else could take at that university.
Travis says:
Dec 7, 2011
This is misleading.
In a response to an inquiry by Daily Mail, Mr Miyasaki of the University Vice President’s Office argues that ‘We have not identified ‘skinny jeans’ as a specific violation of the dress and grooming standard. We are aware of the incident and the Student Honor Office is working with the Testing Center to address the issue.’
I wish you guys would strive for more integrity in your journalistic practices.
Parker says:
Dec 7, 2011
With comments like these, why would they want to avoid spinning controversial subject matter?
lisa says:
Dec 7, 2011
Tight jeans could be flared. boot cut. straight. or skinny. This rule is A) appropriate for a SMALL handful of girls/guys that wear them too tight and too low (crack) B) yet ANOTHER way for the testing center officials to abuse their authority. C) A lame excuse for all the guys that can’t control their dirty minds, so they blame it on what the girls are wearing.
Glen Bennion says:
Dec 7, 2011
How about you all shut up and come to a real school! Like Utah State. We have real sports, real traditions, and you have to live according to God’s plan…agency and accountability and living by the Spirit. Honor code is Satan’s plan…haha…that is a joke to all you zoobies. Your testimony is put to the test because there are non members and jack Mormons all around. Don’t be forced to follow rules. Follow the rules because you love to follow them. Skinny jeans are nice on girls and if worn right don’t show too much. I think they should be banned on guys.
tillor says:
Dec 7, 2011
like the gov’t quit trying to rule everything!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the world will go round. skinny jeans are the least of there worries!! but seriously the rule should just appy to men! C’mon, guys in Skinny jeans should be hog tied and drug behind a pick up to get some sense knocked into them!
Shplaine says:
Dec 8, 2011
You are comparing a private university setting standards to live by to be on their private property to the government? Do believe that private property owners have the right to set their own rules for people they let on their private land?
Version says:
Dec 7, 2011
and I quote: “Some girls are trying to wear skinny jeans three sizes too small — it’s a good idea to not wear them at all,”
It’s a good idea to not wear them at all? I thought that is what the University was trying to guard against in the first place?
Jessica says:
Dec 7, 2011
What people are failing to realize is the difference in the spirit of the law and the letter of the law. The dress code says to not wear skirts above the knees and yet I see girls on campus every day showing half their thigh. The point is that this university upholds the name of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. Our members (and students) have been instructed, BY THE LORD, to honor our bodies, treat them as temples and keep them sacred. The Lord gives many commandments to His people because He holds them to a high standard that we should be honored to and diligently live up to. If you can’t handle not wearing skinny jeans, how are you going to follow even more difficult counsel and commandments you will be given? This is such a minimal thing we have been asked to do, and we are so BLESSED to be able to attend this University, being supported by faithful tithe payers all over the world who would do anything to be able to come here, that if you can’t give up your skinny jeans, just leave. Open up a spot for a more dedicated member and student who can follow counsel.
Paul says:
Dec 7, 2011
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Idaho
No shorts, no flip-flops, no skinny jeans, no thank you.
Good grief BYU-Idaho. What would you have done to Brandon Davies? I’m thinking crucifixion or worse. I’m so glad I’m not at BYUI
allison says:
Dec 7, 2011
I have my own opinions on this issue. But the thing I guess I’d like to mention is how appalled I am at how all of you are talking to one another. There is some colorful language flying around. Why don’t y’all think twice before you hit ‘submit’? Putting *’s in your comment doesn’t make you any cooler sounding. Profanity is the attempt of a lazy and feeble mind to express itself forcefully.
No matter what your opinions are, both sides need to show some respect to those they are addressing. This has nothing to do with the honor code…just respect from one human to another; common courtesy. C’mon folks.
Joseph says:
Dec 7, 2011
Really if this was a church school and we believe in the gospel being the same everywhere and never changing why is our standards and rules different in each of the church schools? Flip flops and shorts are ok in Hawaii and I see it in Provo, but not here in Idaho. It doesn’t make sense! If the gospel never changes and is the same everywhere so should how the church runs the school. Someone said that the Holy Ghost is lost because people wear skinny’s or don’t shave? Thats false doctrine if you remember the covenant you made at baptism theres nothing in there that says if you wear skinny’s you won’t have the spirit. So please don’t make it sound like someone is committing a sin when they do because no they aren’t. But I would agree that we signed a contract to keep a honor code but skinny jeans weren’t in there. So creating a rule after the fact that people have been wearing them for a while is not fair.And if you say tight and revealing yes thats a part of the honor code but skinny jeans are not tight and revealing for girls who wear them how your supposed to be wearing them. And for guys who have a problem with seeing women in fitted jeans needs to talk to their Bishop because your doing something your not suppose to be.
Anonymous says:
Dec 7, 2011
You know, this actually doesn’t surprise me. Yes, ‘skinny jeans’ is a relative term in fashion and can be defined widely. However, skinny jeans are just that, skinny jeans. If you wear them PROPERLY, as in THE RIGHT SIZE AND FIT they’re fine. I’m lds and I do stand by the modesty policy 100% however,I do sometimes think it gets stretched too far. I don’t think that banning skinny jeans altogether was the correct decision but I do understand why it was done. Skinny jeans are meant to compliment your form not make you look like a toothpick. A lot of kids who wear skinny jeans are wearing at least a size too small which really makes them look gross and it’s quite an atrocious sight.
Now all this talk about being jealous of people with a fashion sense is just nonsense. To have a fashion sense, one must know how to put clothing articles together in a way that is attractive. Now I realize attractive is also a relative term; it relates to different points of view. The thing is, everyone has a different view on fashion. To dress modest is not dressing grossly, it’s dressing in a manner that doesn’t show excessive amounts of skin. What do people think boleros and cardigans are for? They sure as heck don’t keep you warm.
Jackie Rawlins says:
Dec 7, 2011
You should really check your facts before doing an article on any subject. BYU-Idaho DOES NOT have any policy now or added policy that states anything about skinny jeans being banned. The policy they do have mentions form fitting clothing. You will not find the words “skinny jeans” in their policy. Please do your research fully before jumping on rumors that are floating around the internet.
Rizzy says:
Dec 7, 2011
Personally id be fine to wear a suit everyday to school if i had too. Why you might ask? Because it would weed out all those people who don’t have the right attitude at being at this university. You signed the code and it is a private school, don’t like it? Leave! I’m so tired of people complaining about the honor code or asking why we are not like BYU.
Jason says:
Dec 7, 2011
If you just lost your testimony over some you “saw on the Internet” then you may need to do some soul searching.
BYU-Idaho has officially come out and stated that they never banned this. Gawker Media posted an article about this but they actually took the initiative to ask the school if it was real. It wasn’t. Get over it.
Scroll to the bottom of this link to read that actual words of school officials:
http://gawker.com/5865693/mormon-college-bans-skinny-jeans
Siko says:
Dec 7, 2011
Why are we focused on what the next rule is or how we dress? What this school should focus on is to better our education use this effort to get better teachers. I have taken classes here that have teachers that are terrible teachers. I have taken classes where the good teachers I have had, have said that they talk to other teachers that find joy in flunking their students. Or make an effort to make the resources here more known. I had no idea till my third semester that we can get tutors for our specific classes. We are so focused on the wrong things when there are bigger things they can focus on to make our students here more successful in life.
Kristin C says:
Dec 7, 2011
Okay, here’s what I think. I own skinny jeans. I wear them more than any other pair of pants. Frankly, I don’t have much else. I feel like the Honor Code is meant to be more of a guideline, “like parenting” as my roommate put it. You lay down certain rules to abide by, and then back off and let them decide for themselves what they believe is in those lines. I don’t feel like skinny jeans are an issue of modesty. If I were to wear flares that were three sizes too small, they would do the same thing and, yes, that probably wouldn’t be best, but frankly, I would have no problem wearing skinny jeans in front of my grandparents, the prophet, even Jesus. I wouldn’t feel uncomfortable because my skinny jeans are not painted on. There’s a line, a difference that I feel is not being taken in to account. Regular jeans show the same above the knee as skinny jeans; the only difference is that skinny jeans show ankles.
I love BYUI. If this becomes a real rule, I will stand by it and get a whole new wardrobe instead of eat for a few days because it’s part of the dress code. I hope it doesn’t, but I do not want to be anywhere else.
I would appreciate it if people would stop bashing my school. Especially the people who don’t go here. You have no idea what you’re talking about. We must remember that this is still the Lord’s school and is being led by followers of Christ. If they feel this is best, than okay. Not every commandment is completely understood. Sometimes we just need blind faith.
devon says:
Dec 7, 2011
I work i the testing center and here are a few things that I have noticed
1. Guys, pretty much all girls think that guys who wear skinny jeans, whether form fitting or not, are not attractive.
2. Girls, I understand that they are cheap and you like how you look and even the guys do, but for me it is hard to keep my eyes up when your pants point at your butt. Again that’s me but to me its like having a low cut shirt/blouse. Girls please help me from being tempted. A church leader told me that it is better to be wise and avoid sin then it is to think that your strong to deny it.
3. This whole skinny jean has been blown out of per-portion. It is something small and simple. Is it really worth arguing about. After we have been asked by our leaders not to wear form fitting clothing and if skinny jeans count as form fitting then they are. All I know is that I rather be obedient then right.
Austin says:
Dec 7, 2011
Devon why are you blaming girls for what they wear? Can you not control your own actions and thoughts? If not maybe you need to do a little re-evaluating of yourself.
Kenzie says:
Dec 7, 2011
We have not identified “skinny jeans” as a specific violation of the dress and grooming standard. We are aware of the incident and the Student Honor Office is working with the Testing Center to address the issue.
The Testing Center has not made any new standard, nor has there been a ban of a particular piece of clothing. The effort of the Testing Center as well as with other employees and students is to encourage others in their commitment to comply with the Honor Code.
-Kevin Miyasaki
Student Services and Activities Vice President
catie says:
Dec 7, 2011
Whether this is true or not, I do think the dress standards are very strict at all the BYUs. Did you know that having a skirt with a slit that goes above the knee is against the honor code? That’s the whole point of slits–so you can walk! Banning skinny jeans is just ridiculous. Enough said. The dress and grooming standards desperately need to be reviewed by a committee of trusted women. I committed to the honor code when I applied to BYU and BYU-h last week. I hope they don’t adopt the same policies or I will be taking my education elsewhere. As much as I love the church, this is just silly.
Alicia says:
Dec 7, 2011
This comments on this page disappoint me. Lets try to be disciples or at least civil. We can all have our own opinions.
I graduated from BYU-Idaho 1.5 years ago. I absolutely love attending the university. Of course some of the rules seemed silly but I tried to obey them simply because I gave my word that I would.
Sometimes they go WAY overboard though…like when they insinuate that if we cannot live the honor code we will never be able to live up to temple covenants (anyone remember the video they showed at apartment meetings when the new student living system was set up?) This new rule regarding “skinny” jeans upsets me so much simply because it is unenforceable. Who determines what skinny jeans are? Who determines how tight is too tight? The new student living program was introduced to help students recognize the agreement they had made when signing the honor code and to help them live up to it. The signs that were posted in the testing center (“if your pants are tight enough to see the shape of your leg, your pants are too tight…If you have an argumentative attitude about the dress code, you are not being a disciple and you need to go home and pray to ask the Lord how to be a better disciple”) were completely inappropriate. John Dexter, testing center manager, is also quoted, “If a student prays and they think that the tight ‘formfitting’ clothing is accepted by the Lord, they have not asked, or have not asked the right question, or they have chosen an answer for their own gratification.” Really John? I am not being a disciple of Christ and I am seeking my own gratification because I gain weight and now my pants are seen by you as too formfitting?? Christ taught through loving example not Nazi like enforcement. I hope the university rethinks their current policies.
Scott says:
Dec 7, 2011
I bet the girl who asked this question was some girl who felt bad and had a low self esteem and is trying to tear others down so she can feel better about herself. All dress pants i think are typically tighter then skinny jeans everywhere and those are encouraged! so whats the big deal?! I would rather see a girl wearing skinny jeans then dress pants that her butt eats! (if it has to do with the spirit!) and I think that is where the line is.. its ok to wear for fitting shirts.. your not gonna get kicked out of the testing center for wearing AE, Aero, Abercrombie, or pretty much everhything else.. like that.. but if your skin is eating what your wearing.. or your underwear is poking out of your clothes.. its inappropriate. If i cant tell if your an endowed member or not by looking at your clothes. then its should be ok. (exception..celestial smile with white shirt.)If i can tell, it is too tight. This is Nothing to lose your testimonies over.
Shannon says:
Dec 7, 2011
How can this school ban skinny jeans? Do they not realize how many differnt styles of skinny jeans they are? There are super skinny jeans, slim and so on and so forth. What exactly is a skinny jean? They have to establish what that is, because there are so many things. Regular jeans can be and are just as tight. Skinny jeans and leggings are not the same thing. The fabric is completely different. This is the dumbest thing i have ever heard. this is a church school but i dont think guys will be turned on by calves. Come on. We are going to look like pilgrims soon if it keeps heading this way. I feel this is becoming a polygamist compound.
Just because we are LDS we can still be modest and be “in style”. Skinny jeans are a fashion statment and what is “in style” today. It is not a sin to wear pants that touch your legs.
Rachel says:
Dec 7, 2011
It’s as good as if it came from the prophet’s mouth himself. I promise he stands behind this and if he stands behind this, then that means God stands behind it. Now do you think God is crazy? Be careful with how you answer that one.
Bo says:
Dec 7, 2011
What is sad is the people throwing these fits online about this are the same ones who will be hurt when their bosses tell them they can not wear a certain article of clothing to work (ie. low cut shirt being worn and a superior in the company asks you not to wear such clothing). These people are way too quick to take offense and become idiotic in their thinking. This is not a public University.
This rule is not even adopted yet. It was simply put up in the testing center to deal with issues there. Not campus wide.
Rachel says:
Dec 7, 2011
I think people need to remember where the inspiration comes for these rules and to stop making it a debate. It’s a church school ran by the church, meaning the church of Jesus Christ. Who are you to argue with him? If you don’t believe this, then you don’t have much of a testimony and find it unimportant to keep the comandments.
Parker says:
Dec 7, 2011
This is one of the worst comments I’ve ever seen. Your naivety is sickening.
“Please no skinny jeans in the testing center.” – Love, Jesus.
Ban skinny jeans? | Between West and Main says:
Dec 7, 2011
[...] an article about it [...]
nick papageno says:
Dec 7, 2011
I agree with this. Get rid of the trendy Indie/whatever you want to call the scene where they all wear garbage from H&M or cheap crap from Urban Outfitters. There are a few people in Salt Lake who attend BYU down in Provo who wear semi-skinny jeans. But, to say the least student who wear cheap garbage can not afford High-End Designers such as Helmut Lang, Dolce and Gabbana, Gucci, Ann Demeulemeester, Kris van Assche, Jil Sanders, Lagerfeld, Lindeburg etc.. I’m thankful for the price I pay for items from these collections because no one can afford them. I’m juast worried I’ll have to get rid of my Topman Design closet because they’ll be the next trend if they’re not careful where they decide to Market there merchandise.
Get rid of the Indie trend scene, abolish it. Its nothing but common and looks ridiculous because everyone I know over uses the word “Man” when ending a sentence….
shay says:
Dec 7, 2011
As far as I’m concerned, Dolce & Gabbana and all the other crap you wear that I’ve never heard of is valuable because of the brand name, not because the clothes are made any less cheap. I hope the shallow self-validation you get from wardrobe name dropping is worth your time, because it’s sure not worth anyone else’s.
Taylor says:
Dec 7, 2011
To you guys wanting to leave BYUI because of this skinny jean scare, well that’s just a little silly.
I will say that as I am about to be a senior, it’s a little frustrating. I signed the honor code and I follow the rules. I dress modestly and I don’t wear flip flops (most of the year I wouldn’t want to anyway since it’s so cold). I think BYUI offers a great education and does so at a cheap cost. I’m really glad I came to this school and I don’t regret it.
My problem with this rule is it isn’t black and white like other rules. With a man shaving it’s rather there’s hair on his face or there’s not. A girl’s knees are rather showing or they aren’t. It’s flip-flops or not. This rule is just going a bit too far because people judge things different. What I may think is skin tight may not be skin tight to someone else. I also would feel very uncomfortable if someone told me my jeans are too tight.
And as a student and a person, I have the right to an opinion and whether or not I agree or disagree with something. To all of you saying that we are acting like “brats” or “kids” let me ask you, are you perfect? You’re telling me you never complain about anything and that your lives are just perfect? I’m pretty sure you do. So please stop saying “just transfer somewhere else”. It’s really rude. It’s not fair to have the rules change dramatically. I can’t afford to buy new jeans or pants, sorry. It’s hard living in a small town where the jobs are hard to find due to the fact that most students have little money and need jobs. I mean the economy right now just isn’t doing so well, but it’s worse in Rexburg. I’m married and it’s hard to pay the bills when you can’t find a job. And trust me, there are many, many, others.
And it’s extremely hard to transfer to another university. BYUI has foundation courses that most other schools do not accept as credits, therefore the classes you took at BYUI are a waste and you have to start over and spend even more money. So unless you plan on transferring to BYU when you first get to Rexburg, it’s going to be very difficult to transfer to another college.
So please, stop acting like you are “high mighty adults” when in reality you are arguing with us “kids” and “brats” which means you are “stooping to our level”, even though there is nothing wrong with speaking our opinion if we do not agree with something.
BYU-Idaho Skinny Jean Clarifications says:
Dec 7, 2011
[...] You can read the original Student Review article at http://thestudentreview.org/2011/12/06/byu-idaho-bans-skinny-jeans/ [...]
Cassi says:
Dec 7, 2011
HAHAHA.. oh my heck people, this really isn’t a big deal. I’ve been in the testing center a dozen times already in skinny jeans recently and its been totally fine. They really are just talking about totally-painted-on-skinny-jeans. The guy that kicked that girl out of the testing center has been kicking people out all the time since he started working there. I know the employee that they are talking about. He’s on some sort of power trip or something. But seriously! Some of you guys are way over-anazlyzing this! I thought it was a big deal at first, but I’m still walking around in my loose-enough skinny jeans (still skinny jeans) and no one has breathed a word to me about it.
This has nothing to do with women’s rights or anything else like that. It has to do with a few extreme dressers that were in need of more clarification of a rule that already existed and although they expressed the rule incorrectly, it really just applies to extremely tight jeans, NOT skinny jeans in general. Its crazy how much people are getting heated over this! WOW!
Brad says:
Dec 7, 2011
I attend BYU Provo, and am horrified by the comments on this page. I have never seen or heard such an uninspiring public forum. Winston Churchill once said, “We are masters of our unsaid words, but slaves of those we let slip out.”
Personally, I am indifferent regarding the dress and grooming standards at BYU-Idaho. However, as an outsider, to those students who are frustrated I would say, refine your words. You’ll make a greater impact through carefully crafted arguments, rather than uncontrolled emotional outbursts.
I am confident that BYU-Idaho administration does not look to “oppress” its student body. If this truly is a worthwhile issue, now is the time for respectable student leaders to civilly respond to the issue, and address your concerns. Given a humble approach, administration may respond differently.
If it’s not worth your while to thoughtfully prepare an argument for or against “skinny jeans”, rather than emotionally explode anonymously on this forum, then I don’t believe the backlash will be taken seriously.
The forum is nothing more than white noise.
Good luck, Idahoan’s. Hope your baggy winter jeans keep you warm in Rexburg.
Bob says:
Dec 7, 2011
Thank you for saying this. well put.
Esteban says:
Dec 7, 2011
Well said. Very, very well said. I’m wondering how many of the commentators here actually attend BYU-I, and how many are simply using this as a forum for venting misdirected aggression that is a result of their own personal issues or thoughtlessness. The amount of hatred, deliberate misunderstanding, and thoughtless word-vomit is literally sickening. There is no, absolutely NO, obligation for anyone to attend this school if they take issue with the standards it requires its students to maintain. There are lots and lots of Mormons at lots and lots of other respectable institutions all over the country. BYU-I is not the only place to find an eternal companion, I PROMISE. Especially if your plans for temple marriage include meeting temple recommend requirements at an absolutely bare-minimum level and looking for ways to keep as much of your person in the world while leaving a toe or two within the comfort and safety of Mormon cultural boundaries. Seriously. I’m absolutely disgusted by the tripe that I see here.
Parker says:
Dec 7, 2011
Side note: baggy jeans are much warmer than skinny jeans. Maybe this is just a student health services policy, not a modesty issue…
Andy Bell says:
Dec 7, 2011
Unfortunately this article doesn’t get all the facts straight. The Gawker article that’s been linked to several times in the comments is very helpful, but there’s also a number of great quotes from an article from the Scroll (the BYU-Idaho school newspaper). The Scroll article isn’t online yet, so I’ve quoted large portions of it on my blog. I hope my comments on my post help to clarify things. http://blog.lazyrivr.com/2011/12/byu-idaho-skinny-jean-clarifications/
Lisa says:
Dec 7, 2011
Thyey are always trying to give reminders and make new rules instead of having faith in us to use our brains. THe student KNOWS if they are being slutty in how they dress!! So should BYU-I kick said student out of the testing center or make a new rule/reminder and hope they’ll take the hint as if they forgot what modesty was? I think these new rules are response to not wanting confrontation and having to tell the person who is breaking the rule they have to leave.
Donna says:
Dec 7, 2011
People seem to think that if a girl where’s ANYTHING form fitting, they’re like automatically a slut or something. I wear skinny jeans, and my standards and morals are just as high as the girls who dress like pilgrims or something everyday. This rule is completely ridiculous. Like seriously??
Mike Nichols says:
Dec 7, 2011
THOSE JEANS ARE SO INAPPROPRIATE! FINALLY I GET A BONER EVERY TIME I SEE SOMEONE WEARING THOSE! They are practically Jeggings, which are practically leggings, which are practically stripper underwear, which is practically pornography, which is horrendous!
Steve says:
Dec 7, 2011
Are you serious or are you dumb? You are the prime example of someone stuck in the “Mormon bubble” of how the world should be.
SKINNYJEANSRULE says:
Dec 7, 2011
I agree with steve. Mike, you should control your thoughts and stop looking at girls and picturing them as pornography. that’s messed up.
Donna says:
Dec 7, 2011
*wears
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Dec 7, 2011
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Dec 7, 2011
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Aaron Egbert Allsop says:
Dec 7, 2011
Dear Miss Stephanie Grimes,
Unless the Student Review is merely a blog of people’s half-assed assumptions, please check your facts before printing something.
Just because the testing center bans skinny jeans does not mean that a ban on skinny jeans has been added to the honor code.
If you actually checked your facts you will realize that that is not the case.
This story in the official BYU-Idaho newspaper will clear up your journalistic mishap.
http://www.byuicomm.net/blog/2011/12/07/testing-center-reminds-students-of-dress-and-grooming-standards/
Miko Alger says:
Dec 7, 2011
I would support this policy if it was passed. I think skinny jeans are awful! No one looks good in them and most look trashy. I can totally see how they are inappropriate and can be extremely immodest if too tight.
Those who don’t agree with the decision and don’t want to adhere to the dress code are more than welcome tho find other schools to attend.
I attended BYU in Provo and I understood the rules. I found it a privilege to be there. I didn’t always agree with all the rules but I understood by choosing BYU I would comply to their polices while being a student there. If you can’t obey the rules for the 4 years you are there leave. No one is forcing you to stay.
Dabrick says:
Dec 7, 2011
Niggas gone Crazy these days
Dabrick says:
Dec 7, 2011
When I am in IDEHO all i say is BURRRRRRR!!!!!
Brick Squad 1017
Spencer says:
Dec 7, 2011
Wow I transferred not because of the honor code but because of the rebellious spirit so many students have, you have good leaders like president Eyring, just try and understand what he does. When I was there I never had a teacher confront me unless it was really a problem, it was always a student that made a huge deal about having a five o clock shadow or a hole in my jeans. I think students should worry about bigger issues and let the rule enforcing be done by the teachers. Just wear what you honestly think is appropriate. Extreme fashions drive away the spirit and question a persons spirituality. And no offence but there are a lot of guys that need to ease up on the feminine clothing.
Christina says:
Dec 7, 2011
Read this devotional by Elder Bednar! It’s amazing! http://www.byui.edu/StudentHonor/Student%20Honor/6%20In%20the%20Path%20of%20Their%20Duty.pdf
Dabrick says:
Dec 7, 2011
I <3 girls with skinny jeans
Whit says:
Dec 7, 2011
OKAAAAAY! Some of these comments people? Literally LOL. First off, get a life you little OC girls and boys trying to deem so far ahead of fashion that they disrespect this university and the residents who are native to idaho. Trust me. I’ve been in “skinny jeans” for longer then i remember and i’m definitely from Idaho. Stop begging for attention. Let’s have a little respect and be a little more modest. Maybe it’ll be good not to see love handles melting out a pair of jeggings.
Nick says:
Dec 7, 2011
Typical people overreacting to the media saying something bad about LDS people. There isn’t a ban on skinny jeans. One testing center worker thought a girl’s jeans were too skinny so he told her to leave. That somehow translates into “no skinny jeans period!”? heck no! And this doesn’t somehow mean that all LDS people think they are better than everyone else, just that one guy in the testing center who will probably get fired anyway. (he likes to kick people out for stupid reasons)One girl getting booted for skinny jeans doesn’t mean the school banned them. In fact, it has always been a rule that you can’t wear pants that are too tight. Nothing has changed. In fact, I will wear my skinny jeans to the testing center tomorrow…and I’m a guy! Maybe i will get kicked out, but that is just because the people at the testing center are typically very self righteous and like to sniff their own farts. So what? just don’t wear your skinniest jeans to the testing center and you will be alright. I pinky promise
Taylor says:
Dec 7, 2011
I can understand no leggings or jeggings, but to add “skinny jeans” to the list of things you can’t wear is over the edge. I agree with the other Taylor because it really isn’t clear. What I consider “skinny” jeans someone else might consider “boot cut” jeans, and vice versa. I’m not saying I’m not going to follow the rule, but this is going to far. They look the exact same as regular jeans except the fact that they are “skinny” on the ankles, but I wear boots most of the year anyways because it’s so cold. I think if they really are going to go through with this it shouldn’t be for another year because students have already agreed to the dress code without this new rule in it, and can’t go buy an entire new wardrobe.
Bek says:
Dec 7, 2011
They didn’t ban skinny jeans, don’t worry. As you said, there is no way to enforce that–who can define skinny jeans? They are just trying to encourage people to not wear super tight pants (as said before, something that has always been in the dress code). There are obviously modest skinny jeans, and there are obviously skinny jeans that are too tight and not in concurrence with the dress code. BYU-I is great (no, I don’t go there), and people shouldn’t be so critical of something they don’t understand.
Christina says:
Dec 7, 2011
Here is the original article from the Scroll:
http://www.byuicomm.net/blog/2011/12/07/testing-center-reminds-students-of-dress-and-grooming-standards/
Yoshi says:
Dec 7, 2011
I think this is the most beneficial and explanatory post. BYU-Idaho does not specifically specify “skinny jeans” as a violation. The dress code is more broad, stating “curvy or form fitting clothing” as the standard. Two thoughts about this.
One, before entering BYU-Idaho every student is required to sign a contract. Students agree to abide by the dress standards. In return, BYU-Idaho strives to provide excellent educational experiences. In breach of this contract by a student, the school does not have a continued responsibility to provide excellent education. In other words, students can be kicked out. In a decision between being kicked out of school or kicked out of the testing center I would prefer the latter.
Second, in response to whether skinny jeans are a violation President Eyering stated “its useful to realized that fashions come and go” and “there will always be tempting new styles.” He never stated that skinny jeans were a violation. Even though he did allude that they are a “tempting new style.” Therefore, the article is misleading in setting standards about skinny jeans.
The article is effective in revealing the viewpoints of those who think skinny jeans are a violatino and those that don’t.
Anonymous says:
Dec 7, 2011
FYI: BYU-I has not banned skinny jeans. The Testing Center posted signs about skin tight pants that show the form of a person’s leg. (Leggings or jeggings). Of course, even the testing proctors are imperfect and ask people to leave who are simply wearing skinny jeans. This is where the issue has been blown out of proportion.
I am a student at BYU-I and I wear skinny jeans almost every day. I’ve worn skinny jeans to the Testing Center multiple times and never been asked to change.
BYU-I is a school guided by the Lord. The Honor Code is a lesser law that prepares us for a higher law.
Abigell says:
Dec 7, 2011
I am a student at BYU-I, I wear skinny jeans to school and to the testing center with out being told I’m doing something wrong, *skinny* jeans are not banned, its skin tight pants, i.e. jeggings and leggings that have always been against the honor code. IF there was a change in policy, I would have received an email at the least. To the authors and people who don’t even attend BYU-I, please don’t assume you know what’s going on. The dress code here is really the same as BYU except for shorts and flipflops.
Ann says:
Dec 7, 2011
This makes me ashamed to be associated with things like this as an alumna of BYU-I. If shorts, flip-flops and capris aren’t enough, banning Naked Juice and Skinny Jeans (even if they’re only going to put up a sign that says, “If your pants are tight enough to see the shape of your leg, your pants are too tight. The CES Dress and Grooming Standards state that: ‘Clothing is inappropriate when it is . . . formfitting.’ Skin tight clothing is NOT appropriate attire.” and still enforce the ban on skinny jeans [see http://www.byuicomm.net/blog/2011/12/07/testing-center-reminds-students-of-dress-and-grooming-standards/) is just going too far. The school’s curfew, where you not only have to be out of the opposite sex’s apartments but also be back inside your own apartment, breeds rebellion. I would know because it happened to me. When kids grow up with great parents who raise them to be modest, responsible adults and they get to college and are treated like they are 14 again, they get frustrated and rebel. Those who don’t rebel, bask in the rules and the school’s policy for roommates to help enforce the honor code and they become self-righteous pricks.
I was dating a guy long-distance who was attending BYU-Provo but came up to Rexburg for the weekend to visit me. He was staying with one of my guy friends from my dance team who was kind enough to lend him a couch. It just so happens that I got sick and he stayed 15 minutes past curfew to make sure I had medicine and was going to be okay. When he and my dance friend got back to the apartment, one of the roommates had locked them out of the apartment and shoved the couch up against the door. After they got through the window and were able to move the couch, my friend realized that the same roommate had also locked him out of his shared bedroom.
What do you want to bet that this the same self-righteous jerk has an on campus job at the testing center telling “curvy” girls to go home and change into frumpier clothes?!
Switz says:
Dec 7, 2011
I am baffled by the amount of attention this is receiving. BYU-I students need to remember that they are a student there at will and can transfer at any time. I personaly dont agree with the rule and understand frustration with it. So you know what I do, I dont attend BYU-I.
As for all the self righteous ones out there, get over yourselves and worry about your own eternal salvation.
Ann says:
Dec 7, 2011
PS That same boyfriend that came to visit me is now my husband of over a year and we happily live in Provo where I thank my lucky stars every day that I no longer live in Rexburg and have to deal with crap like this and can enjoy wearing skinny jeans without fear of judgement.
Ann says:
Dec 7, 2011
Friend of a friend on Facebook:
Jennifer B – “I’ve worked with Bro. Dexter in the past, when I was a director of the Honor Counsel, and to say the least the man is a little over zealous as to what is immodest and what isn’t. Case and point: In one meeting we had, he was offend by the calf length boat-neck dress I was wearing, which was in all honesty was too big. Food for thought….Just saying…”
(Dexter is the manager of the testing center, just FYI)
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Dec 7, 2011
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Flying Fijian! says:
Dec 7, 2011
BYU-I, do what you do! for the rest of you guys if you dont like the rules go too a different school. BYU and BYU-H both allow you to wear shorts flip flops and skinny jeans. GO THERE. but wait let me guess, you LOVE BYU-I right??? well suck it up then and follow the rules. trust me, life is much more peaceful that way! Aloha!
ps. idahoans are very beautiful people!
Bryan says:
Dec 7, 2011
Screw this… thats why I didnt even bother in applying to BYU I… a bunch of freaking extremists that think everything is a sin…
IF YOU CANT FIT THEM, DONT WEAR THEM!!!
BUT IF YOU BODY FITS THEM, GO FOR IT..
BYUH rocks!
Daniel says:
Dec 7, 2011
Just saying, the church says to be in the world and not of the world. To everyone that says “if you don’t like this school than just leave”, do you really want to separate yourself from society that much more? I have a hard enough time telling my non-mormon friends that: we don’t dig up the dead and baptize them, I only have one mother, explaining “one piece magic underwear”, we aren’t a cult, why we have a living prophet today, etc. Honestly, I came to school here to get an education without being pressured into drugs and sex, not to run to Idaho to hide from the rest of the world.
ANGRY NIGGA says:
Dec 7, 2011
THIS IS WHY I HATE WHITE PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!
NIGGAS FO LIFE
Bovice Im out dis ho
BYU-Idaho responds to testing center policy on skinny jeans | The Student Review says:
Dec 7, 2011
[...] Student Review reported Monday that BYU-Idaho added skinny jeans to the list of clothing violating the university’s dress and [...]
John says:
Dec 7, 2011
Hey people. This is not a new rule. This is just BYU-Idaho enforcing a rule that is already in place. The rule is that we should not wear tight apparel. Obviously, they wont send home people that are not wearing skin tight apparel.
Erminia says:
Dec 7, 2011
If you don’t agree with it why would you go study there? These are the standards they have decided to do, if you don’t like it choose another university …. In BYU Provo it’s hard to see people abiding to the clothing standards now … You have to decide if obeying or not to this rule like many others we have … We are not going to hell for that, but i am sure that there is a reason why they have added that to the dress code! At this point why don’t you guys grow beard (who cares if you have a beard or not) or go to the swimming pool with a bikini instead of a one piece swimming suit???? There is a logic somewhere i am sure … I think it’s up to us at the end …
George says:
Dec 7, 2011
One of the many reasons why BYU-Provo is so much better
Matt Bland says:
Dec 7, 2011
I haven’t understood why anyone would even want to wear skinny jeans since I came back from my mission in 2005, this makes me proud to have graduated from BYU-I. I don’t even care if it violates the dress code they are awful to look at anyway so at least campus wil be more aesthetically pleasing!
Anonymous says:
Dec 7, 2011
But seriously… Really?? I’m a non-member coming from BYU with a lot of respect for the church and things like these really make me lose respect. Way to go too far BYU Idaho.
Zander says:
Dec 7, 2011
This school is seriously inspired! Everything happens for a reason! Lets just be obedientand awesome things will follow! This school is magnificent, awesome teachers, people, everything and me being from a large city loved it! Lets take front with the new rule and enjoy it, after all, trends do come as go as stated!
Sarah says:
Dec 7, 2011
mormons are retarded
thall says:
Dec 7, 2011
Hahaha I think these comments are the funniest thing I’ve ever read. What a disgrace. The church has never made any sort of notion that we are supposed to be “normal.” I believe we’ve been labeled as a peculiar people. If you are so concerned with being like the rest of the world I feel like you’ll end up exactly where they end up all over a pair of jeans! I don’t think there’s anything wrong with looking nice, look at Pres. Uchtdorf, he knows how to dress a class above the rest! Everyone knows form fitting and skinny jeans have a different connotation. Form fitting=fine skinny jeans=you walk like a duck.
Brad Burnett says:
Dec 7, 2011
This seems like such an outdated approach to patriarchial regulation. Are skinny jeans really detracting from the learning environment? It’s sadly laughable. What’s next? Burqas?
Yet at the same time… They’re a private school and you have to respect their archaic decision making paradigm. Students knew what they were getting into when they applied there.
Linc says:
Dec 7, 2011
Wow…and here I had hoped the West would spearhead the movement to rid the world of this atrocity known as ‘skinny jeans’. I commend BYU for outlawing them, but am surprised to find so many people up in arms about it. For those who are misinformed: Skinny jeans DON’T look good.
If you’re under some illusion that you’re able to ‘pull off’ skinny jeans, you need to seriously sit back and reevaluate your life.
Al says:
Dec 7, 2011
Nice to see that the religious right (Christian Taliban) have their priorities straight. Sounds like a story from Pakistan.
Anonymous says:
Dec 7, 2011
LOL wow, the BYU student who runs this web page needs to get a life. I hope you get fulfillment out of writing why BYU-Idaho is such a bad place. Apostles of the Lord recieve guidance for BYU-Idaho.
Second of all, this article obviously doesn’t really represent what is going on because like what Christina said above, all the WE as students at BYU-Idaho have heard is that the testing center isn’t allowing form fitting clothes. If that Q&A that happened in September really happened like you said and a BAN was placed on skinny jeans. We would have heard about it 3 months ago when it happened, yet… this is the first time we’ve heard that.
So get over it. And all of you haters that are crying about it, all I have to say is QQ Ragequite you noobs.
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Flower says:
Dec 7, 2011
@Brad… most intelligent thing I have read in this entire forum. BYUI is a wonderful institution. I don’t agree with all of the rules here, but there is an amazing spirit about this campus because of the Honor Code. I don’t know if skinny jeans will end up getting banned, but who cares honestly. I would wear a pioneer dress to school every day if it meant I would get the quality education I received. Call me a sheep or second class citizen all you want. Most of these comments miss that mark. It saddens me that judgement is the first thing that is jumped to and hateful words about the LDS religion and the entire University about a skinny jeans issue that isn’t in actuality an issue. I can probably guess the individual who kicked that young lady out of the testing center and it is unfortunate that kind of behavior has become the representative of our fine University here. The temple gives us a blessing that our lips may not speak guile. Telling people to leave if they don’t like things is just as bad as them saying our school is crazy. So I propose the question.. What would Christ care more about… a skinny jean dilemma or how everyone is speaking to one another on this forum. P.S. None of us are perfect, myself included, not trying to lecture. Good luck and God bless.
Chris says:
Dec 7, 2011
How anyone can assume this is an “Idahoan” thing is laughable. You may want to check your facts “V” – most of the administration that calls the shots for BYUI are not from Idaho.
While I’m not a fan of skinny jeans, I understand it as another temporary fashion statement. Why this trend has to be barred entirely instead of being addressed with individuals who push the limits of decency is something I’ll never understand. Welcome to the not-so-real world of choosing a private school over one that lets an individual choose what’s right or wrong. Let’s see how long it take reality to burst the bubble.
Kyle says:
Dec 7, 2011
Oh no. This has gotta be the epitome of bad publicity.
Kyle says:
Dec 7, 2011
In honesty. Of all the ridiculous allegations I’ve heard against the church this may be the most outrageous.
Kyle says:
Dec 7, 2011
Idea. Let’s do more than post some comments. I think hate mail is appropriate here… Everyone write a letter to this testing center. No more false doctrine please.
Jesus says:
Dec 7, 2011
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.
Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men’s bones, and of all uncleanness.
28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.
manageblogs says:
Dec 7, 2011
When you chose to go to a private religious college which is already known for having stricter dress codes than the original BYU down in Utah you know exactly what your choosing. If form fitting clothes are already on the dress code then that would already include “form fitting” skinny jeans. Not all skinnies are form fitting…hot do you measure how form fitting one style is and not the other. When it’s too close to have a measurable standard for a school dress code to enforce they are only left with cutting them out completely. Tapered jeans not true skinny jeans, just like some baggy jeans are actually lose fit etc. They could change their dress code for the current trend and allow form fitting clothing. Guessing they had some of the same problems back in the 70′s with bell bottoms, or perhaps back then they didn’t have very many students from out of state and Idahoins back then were extremely conservative and probably looked down on “those hippies”. If you chose to go to a private religious school with an enforced dress code you really shouldn’t complain. This is a dress code and enforceable dress code not a new standard which is a standard not a commandment and either way if your Christlike you don’t look down on anyone or judge what their wearing. Simply put they just have a dress code to enforce. The same one they have always had so that’s what they mean by trends coming and going. Trends come and go but they have always have the same dress code and they always will
Kyle saunders says:
Dec 7, 2011
I went to byu-idaho, and wished the honor code was more enforced because students are too casual, and college isn’t about living your youth, it is about preparing for the future. Just like this life is a chance to rise above this world to an eternal heritage with the father, we (especially those blessed to spend a short time at BYU-I) should look at any challenge to overcome the trends and social defecation of the world as a great opportunity. The invitation to go from casual jeans would levitate the atmosphere on campus to a greater professional stigma, and with it raise the attitude and perspective of all attending the campus. It is sad when the members of the church are do quick to fight counsel from their leaders instead of try to embrace and understand how it will bless their lives. Though the majority ARE supporting the honor code, and the majority do uphold the rules, it is sad to see so many in offense.
Molly says:
Dec 7, 2011
I’m a Reformed Protestant, and one of my Mormon friends posted a link to this site on Facebook. While I understand the thought process behind banning skinny jeans (too tight, too revealing), I think this is too extreme to implement. I understand that the Mormon Church wants to look different than the outside world, but I think it’s a silly rule. If girls are allowed to wear skirts that show leg, I think skinny jeans are no different. Also, I’m ashamed for a lot of you who commented. Stop bickering amongst yourselves. I thought LDS was supposed to be a gentle church. The fact that a clothing option should incite you against each other is horrible. Stop holding skinny jeans as a higher priority than respecting your colleagues.
Kyle says:
Dec 7, 2011
Here’s the University Relations department email. Let’s flood it. This is super necessary. UniversityRelations@byui.edu
e says:
Dec 7, 2011
Most of you are just whiners. Skinny jeans are gross, especially on chubby girls and dudes. I dont go to this school, but I agree with them. Also, leggings are NOT pants!
Heidi says:
Dec 7, 2011
Many Mormon pioneers crossed the country, frozen and starving, without uttering a complaint because they knew it was the will of the Lord. BYUI banned a simple type of pant and people are throwing a fit… Where is the obedience and faith??
Kyle says:
Dec 7, 2011
Sorry wrong email in that last post. Here it is. cargala@byui.edu
TLG says:
Dec 7, 2011
It’s been some years since I graduated from BYU Provo and wrote for the original Student Review. Looking at this story now, from the perspective of someone with years of professional experience in several organizations and countries, my impressions are as follows.
Yes, real world organizations have dress codes. But they have rational reasons and relationships to the purpose of the organization. BYU-I’s micromanagement of clothing in this story is over the top and makes the school administration look like insular, idiotic control freaks more interested in controlling the thoughts of students than giving them a safe place to practice making rational judgments for themselves. It says a lot about the overall intellectual environment there in Rexburg, and I am not impressed.
In my experience, far too many Mormons have little comprehension of how most of the world sees them: as usually nice people but with quirky cultish religious beliefs more akin to Scientology than Christianity. Places like BYU-I do much to contribute to that public perception. Stories like this are now only a few clicks or Facebook links away from international attention, and contribute far more to the LDS church’s public image than local missionaries or the “I’m a Mormon” campaign.
This story only confirms what I have long believed about BYU-I and Idaho’s brand of Mormonism. While I know people who live there that are exceptions, in general it appears to me that BYU-I perpetuates an insular, almost anti-intellectual atmosphere which does not seem to equip its students for success in a very competitive post-graduate life. Because of all the above, if I saw BYU-Idaho on a job applicant’s resume, I would be far more likely to turn down the applicant, because I would not trust their school to have given them an education that works in the real world.
Jay says:
Dec 7, 2011
Dude, I COMPLETELY agree with you. There really is a “brand” of Mormons formed here which struggle intellectually in the real world. I’m in a married student ward here and it seems less of a problem after marriage (thankfully), but when I was single, the branding was disgustingly apparent.
Trisha says:
Dec 7, 2011
Our rules here at BYU-I aren’t make by some Joe Shmoe who is trying to make us miserable. Our leaders are receiving revelation for us. I wear skinny jeans, it’s all I own. I’m annoyed about the new rule because it means going out and buying all new jeans but I know it’s the right thing to do. I would hope that most of the reason that students choose to come here is to not only grow academically but also spiritually. How is that going to happen with us students getting at each other’s throats because of a new dress standard? Obviously there is good reason for this new rule.
Karina says:
Dec 7, 2011
I’m glad I decided to go to another school, I really wanted to go to BYU-I. Since I was a little girl but my sense of fashion started from a young age as well. I’m going to fashion school in Texas, and I like to express myself with the things I wear. Of course from a very young age my parents made sure I knew how to dress modest. “Skinny jeans” are almost my every day jeans to wear. I’m sorry to say this but I’m glad I did not attend, it makes me sad.
Austin says:
Dec 7, 2011
This is the stupidest thing that I have ever seen. The article in the scroll is awful. The manger of the testing center is a complete clown. He states that if a student prays and asks if their “skinny jeans” are excepted by the lord and receive the answer yes then they have not received and answer from the lord because he would not go against the dress and grooming standards. My question is then, does the lord give different answers based on what school you attend? Pretty sure the students at BYU provo and hawaii don’t have this rule.
Hypocrites! says:
Dec 7, 2011
Their Mormons…..why is anyone surprised? If they want to be brain washed who are we to stop them. This rule will weed out all the “unholy” people and they can continue breeding into the cult with appropriate beings.
John Hitchins says:
Dec 7, 2011
You are an ignorant ***. Dont ope your mouth unless you have a clue what you are talking about.
Kara says:
Dec 7, 2011
This is crazy. Oh, I loved you Ricks college despite some of the ridiculous rules, but this is crazy. You are dealing with adults students here… not 10 year old kids who you are telling what to do. What’s next, you can only wear baggy sweaters and orthopedic shoes to the testing center?
Jeff Meigs says:
Dec 7, 2011
Skinny jeans make anyone who isn’t a size zero look like they’re riding a giant chicken. End of story.
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aj says:
Dec 7, 2011
This whole mess deserves a head shake. I just don’t get it. Seems to me like getting an education at BYU anything is a whole lot of work. Most of which has nothing to do with learning. I bet that poor girl who was “turned away” just wanted to take a test. Now what? She gets a big fat 0 because of her pants? What about letting her express the knowledge in her brain? I guess they’re less concerned about that. Way too concerned with weather her pants are too “form fitting.” Are they not supposed to fit? This is sad. Sad that the rest of the normal Mormon world has to try to live this down once the media gets a hold of it. As if trying to explain polygamy wasn’t hard enough, BYU’s honor code has to keep adding to the freak fire. I wish the PR people at the church office building luck with this one.
Emily says:
Dec 7, 2011
It’s a private college, and rules can be made according to the dictates of the administration (who I firmly trust has the best interset of the institution and its students in mind). If you don’t like the rules, go somewhere else.
Orwell says:
Dec 7, 2011
So the Student Review is somewhat imprecise in its reporting (see horrible statistical analysis about politics and professors at BYU, incomplete facts about Jake Heaps and transferring rules, etc.).
However, know what I love about this? If it weren’t for the Student Review, nobody outside of Madison County would have found out about this absurdity. The Universe would never pick this up — so, carry on.
Kim says:
Dec 7, 2011
Once again Mormons look like fascists fools. Hey Mitt Romney, if you are elected President, who will you appoint as fashion police czar? That is why a Mormon will never be trusted in powerful leadership position in the real world.
js says:
Dec 7, 2011
Based on the premise that Skinny Lovin’ compared to Levi Lovin’ is a far more grievous moral offense.
MATT says:
Dec 7, 2011
From the update: “If you don’t understand the Dress and Grooming standards, we invite you to go to the Lord ‘and ask in faith, nothing wavering’ for approval of the clothing you wear. The Spirit will tell you whether what you are wearing is appropriate or not,” it read.
I’d like to see somebody try to walk into the testing center and argue that “the spirit told me these are not too tight.” Absolutely. Freaking. Ridiculous.
B says:
Dec 7, 2011
STRAIGHT FROM BYUI
BYU-Idaho
Wondering if skinny jeans are allowed on campus? They are. BYU-Idaho’s longstanding dress & grooming standards promote principles of modesty and restrict formfitting clothing, but skinny jeans are not singled out or prohibited. In addition, the Testing Center issue reported in Scroll has been corrected and is no longer in force.
Ken says:
Dec 7, 2011
I see John 15:19 coming to fruition with a lot of the comments to this article. Thank you world for reaffirming the truthfulness of the Gospel.
JR says:
Dec 7, 2011
HAHA! And that’s one reason I left that place… They’re nuts! In my opinion they are taking agency out of your hands. They are trying to control everything. They might as well give you all Uniforms to wear. That might make it all better? Although they might lose most the student population… It’d stop them from banning all your clothes?
BYU96 says:
Dec 7, 2011
Alumni over the age of 35 are shaking their heads going, “what the heck is going on at Ricks College”? Because that’s how we see it — it’s still Ricks.
(Anyone who would turn down BYU for Ricks-Idaho isn’t worth employing.)
Eric says:
Dec 7, 2011
ah byui, always talking self righteousness to a new level.
“The worst sinners, according to Jesus, are not the harlots and publicans, but the religious leaders with their insistence on proper dress and grooming, their careful observance of all the rules, their precious concern for status symbols, their strict legality, their pious patriotism… the haircut becomes the test of …virtue in a world where Satan deceives and rules by appearances.” -Hugh Nibley
Tagg says:
Dec 7, 2011
You could always transfer to Utah State University. We accept all fashions at USU, let you stay out past ten, have coke on tap, AND we don’t have a testing center. We are even a tier-one research institution, a top 25 program in education, and a highly-accredited business program. We also have the largest institute outside of a church-owned school. Did I mention you can wear skinny jeans?
Justin says:
Dec 7, 2011
So the LDS faith believes in grace not just the law right?
Crystal says:
Dec 7, 2011
Why should the women keep having to adjust what they’re wearing just because the guys can’t kep it in their pants? C’mon skinny jeans? Hardly a major turn on for anyone of this era I imagine. A tight “modest” skirt and sexy heels could get more blood flowing.
Hannah says:
Dec 7, 2011
I’m pretty sure you guys should call down. Yeah, I’m mad I can’t go into the testing centre with my skinny jeans on, but I feel like this is being treated as if a fascist “fashion dictator” is taking away your unalienable rights.
They’re SKINNY JEANS. And it’s just THE TESTING CENTRE. I’m sorry you’re loosing your testimony over this. But if you’re letting skinny jeans shake your testimony, then it wasn’t that strong to begin with. Take a second, stop being bitter, stop being childish, and keep a big-picture perspective.
Steve says:
Dec 7, 2011
This isn’t an issue of “testimony”, and the fact that people actually have their own opinions about issues at BYU-I doesn’t make them a childish person or bitter. This is why Mormons annoy me, and I’m Mormon myself…you have your own opinion and automatically you’re immature, childish and, in some instances (especially here at BYU-I depending on the person), a sinner because you aren’t submitting to authority.
mark says:
Dec 7, 2011
I attend BYUI and I agree with this rule. Anyone who doesn’t needs to read For The Strength Of Youth from the first presidency
“Immodest clothing includes…. tight clothing…”
Tight clothing. Skinny jeans. Seem synonymous too me. If it outlines your legs and butt they are definitely too tight. They only enforce it at the testing center though.
Johnathan says:
Dec 7, 2011
Does anyone on here getting in heated arguments not have anything better to do with their lives? The administration made a rule, not the people on here that have a different view than you do. If you really feel like bashing people on the Internet from the comfort and secrecy of your computer is something that you must do, you need to find something else to do to pass your time.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Why would you try to take someone’s right of speech away by making crude and inappropriate remarks? What is the real problem here? The dress code rule or the fact that human beings on this post are so quickly turning into heartless animals and lashing out at others because someone expresses their opinion that may be different than another? Dress code fail or human behavior fail?
Grow up people. Leave your opinion and be done with it. Stop trying to puff yourself up and show that you are the “alpha-poster”.
Chris says:
Dec 7, 2011
I am a 52 year old Relief Society president and I wear skinney jeans. I do not feel they are immodest.
Stephanie says:
Dec 7, 2011
Skinny jeans are disgusting. And immodest. I suppose there are some types that don’t squeeze every crack and crevice. I suppose there are some types that aren’t so tight you can practically see individual hairs. Go BYU-I for taking a stand against immodesty! I just hope they go out of style before my daughter is old enough to want to wear what everyone else is wearing.
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max says:
Dec 7, 2011
I work at the testing center where this all started. The school never came out with the paper. It was the testing center manager. A student later took it to HR and the school took it down. So the school never even said a thing about the skinny jeans it was testing center employee
Charles Willmington says:
Dec 7, 2011
To an extent I agree with Johnathan. The concerns of this post aren’t related to whether the new rule concerning “skinny jeans” is appropriate, rather it is related to our willingness to listen to school and church leaders. If we would rather follow our own ideas and morals of what is right, we may find ourselves in opposition to the Church. If our hearts are in the right place we shouldn’t have to take offense to others views or the standpoint of BYU-Idaho. The purpose of the school’s standards are to prepare us to live in a changing world in all aspects. Regardless of what we may think, BYU-I sets the standards and we must follow them to take part in it.
Levi says:
Dec 7, 2011
is the testing center manager going to get in trouble for overstepping boundaries?
Camille says:
Dec 7, 2011
My thoughts are, if you are in college then you are an adult. If you are an adult then act like one…to include your thought process and subsequent decisions. In other words if YOU CHOSE to attend BYU-I then you know what is EXPECTED AND you AGREED. If at some point you change your mind you have the option of changing SCHOOLS. Why is it that folks today, especially the MINORITY, THINK (?) that it is OK to FORCE their opinions, lifestyle, etc on to others?! Think of it this way, WE were HERE FIRST. GO find your own place.
Mike says:
Dec 7, 2011
If you don’t like the rules then why did you agree to live the honor code in the first place. Go somewhere else to do whatever you want.
poppy says:
Dec 7, 2011
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA These comments made my day!!!!!!!!! All of this over skinny jeans?!?! Go drink another diet coke and everything will be ok.
Doc says:
Dec 7, 2011
Once again Mormons look like fascists fools. Hey Mitt Romney, if you are elected President who will you appoint as your fashion police czar? Obama must be loving this.
barybrown says:
Dec 7, 2011
Tebow > your understanding of facism
Sean says:
Dec 7, 2011
The official stance of BYU-Idaho on the issue.
http://www.byuicomm.net/blog/2011/12/07/official-position-of-byu-idaho-on-skinny-jeans/
Skinny Jeans: Too Suggestive for Mormon College? - ABC News says:
Dec 7, 2011
[...] Cooper, a student at the school, told The Student Review that BYU-Idaho’s strict dress code is “pretty [...]
STEVE-O says:
Dec 7, 2011
SKINNY JEANS ROCK! LEVIS 511 JEANS FIT MY BOOTY NICELY WITHOUT BEING IMMODEST.
stupid mormons says:
Dec 7, 2011
The name says it all. Go back to utard
The sin of skinny jeans. « JohnWeirick says:
Dec 7, 2011
[...] Monday, a story come out of controversy surround a testing center at Brigham Young University in Idaho, which [...]
Erica says:
Dec 7, 2011
Do your research before you freak out. BYU-Idaho didn’t ban skinny jeans. People on here are making fools of themselves.
billbradsky says:
Dec 7, 2011
Tebow > Censorship
LDSretailer says:
Dec 7, 2011
The issue is form fitting. Any person wearing a couple of sizes too small will have the same problem as skinny jeans. Who decides what they are anyway. Being a retailer, brands decide what is skinny. A women’s size 2 is skinny if the wrong person wears it. As is a juniors size 2. The same issue can be argued for men. A skinny person wearing skinny jeans isn’t showing anymore than an average person wearing an average fitting pair of jeans. both could be construed as form fitting. The school is basically asking everyone to wear one style fuller than form fitting. Otherwise you can basically ban Levis classic 501s. Jeans by design will always be more form fitting than pants. The introduction of baggy and fuller cut jeans were in the 90s. Jeans have been form fitting decades before.
April says:
Dec 7, 2011
Wow…I think that people need to realize one thing, they are advising against “skinny” jeans because some girls wear them so tight it looks like they are painted on and that is prevocative. That is all they are worried about. And this is the soluation they came up with to that issues. They are not trying to be facists or fashion police or anything else. And really after reading the official stance of the school. They are just reminding the girls to not wear such tight pants! That is all.
Lol @ Poppy. Good one.
Dan says:
Dec 7, 2011
OH MAN MY LIFE IS SO HARD.
I can’t wear skinny jeans anymore. Everything about BYUI sucks now. The apostles must not know what they’re talking about. They’re so out of touch. The church must not be true.
sniff.
Please feel sorry for me.
Please?
Jake says:
Dec 7, 2011
I’m really glad I transferred to another school. All of this has made me realize that there is so much negativity and frustration going around that campus. These posts had: name calling, back biting, social prowess, sexual harassment, pride, libation, and the list goes on. Be an example to each other and do what is right. BYU-I is not the only school in the nation in which a member can go to get a good education and maintain the standards the Lord has set for them. Skinny Jeans are just a fad and our kids will probably think we are crazy for wearing them; I know my parents still do. Most importantly, realize that the peers that are for or against the policy are your brothers and sisters who don’t deserve to called the things that I read in this post, and I am sure that it does not make the Lord happy when we say such things to each other. I transferred schools for this very reason. I felt like students had a surplus of policy which only emphasized the gospel standards but choked students ability to just buckle down and study.
j Mitchell says:
Dec 7, 2011
Clearly. Over exaggerated. I mean, pants 3 sizes too small!?! Get real! It Isent possible
no way jose says:
Dec 7, 2011
http://www.facebook.com/BYUID/posts/334491879898320
Lana says:
Dec 7, 2011
@John–Our church started caring about their image when they wasted money on those, “I Am a Mormon” commercials. Who cares what religion anyone comes from?! That money could have been put to better use instead of having it spent on our image.
Jamie says:
Dec 7, 2011
I don’t understand it.. Did you read the article? it said if it shows the shape of your leg..But every pair of pants show the shape of your leg! The article made me so mad because yeah, they recognized that there were problems with some of the student employees, but no apology was ever made to that girl. Some of those employees are just on a power trip.
KT says:
Dec 7, 2011
I don’t know why everyone is making a big deal over clothing. Is it really something to change schools over, bash the University, or worse bash the Church? I don’t think so. Everyone who attends BYU-I should be lucky to be there. Just wait until you transfer to a new school and see how much tuition is, and I’m sure you’ll see a lot more than just girls in tight pants. You agreed to go here so you need to follow the rules. If your skinny jeans are that important to you to say such horrible things then maybe you need to rethink your priorities. Tight pants or an outstanding education at an unbeatable price?
Steve says:
Dec 7, 2011
I came to BYU-I from Yale after my mission…I’m going back to Yale after I’m done with the current semester here at BYU-I. I didn’t mind paying quite a bit more to attend Yale where I can choose what I do instead of paying much less to have more emphasis placed on following the rules and a flawed learning system instead of actual education and learning. I’m pretty certain that the education at Yale is far superior to that of any BYU school…the education at BYU-I is a joke compared to the University of North Texas, which is a liberal arts university.
Logan says:
Dec 7, 2011
You should really do you homework before publishing such a ridiculous article. But thank you for improving the image of Mormons everywhere. This was a dumb mistake by an over-socialized employee of the testing center. No rules have changed at BYU-I.
But again, good job for continuing to uphold the reputation of Mormons, BYU, BYU-I, and your blessed newspaper that has published only ill-informed nonsense since it was reintroduced.
tashauna says:
Dec 7, 2011
So, 90% of the world already thinks mormons are freaks, now it’s AT LEAST going to raise up to 93%. Sorry, I know you all believe in your little bubble that everyone thinks it’s normal but they don’t. You guys live in your own little world. I don’t see what’s so offensive about the human body, we’ve ALL seen one before there’s no need to get offended over it. It’s 100% natural. My God, whenever I visit my family in Utah I swear there’s sooo many people who glare at me because I’m wearing short shorts. That’s why I’m thankful we moved to Oregon and my family became ex members of the church. I can only hope that you guys too can realize what the mormon church feeds you is lies and everything about it is pretty much ridiculous. I know that none of you will really listen to this because yes, you’re brainwashed, but just putting my opinion out there!
spencer says:
Dec 7, 2011
you are a crazy crazy girl i do believe that you have taken this to the extreme. so you are grateful that you get to walk around in short shorts without people looking at you and knowing it is what you just said. dont keep the faith shear it.
tashauna says:
Dec 7, 2011
Do you realize what you said just made no sense at all? Learn some proper english, then we’ll talk.
Lindsey says:
Dec 7, 2011
At least we haven’t come to this: http://bikyamasr.com/50403/islamic-cleric-bans-women-from-touching-bananas-cucumbers-for-sexual-resemblance/
Jaida says:
Dec 7, 2011
BYU FTW.
Cassandra says:
Dec 7, 2011
One thing I wanted to bring up that, skimming over the comments (no, I didn’t read all 400+) no one else has mentioned. I am an alumni, and was at BYU-I when President Clark came (I came in while the interm President, President Wilkes was there) and in his very first devotional address, he talked about the enviroment at BYU-I and how to make the most of your time there. In specific, he talked about the spirit and letter of the law as far as the honor code. In part, he said,
“Every time you walk into a classroom on this campus, you are walking into a space that has been dedicated and set apart by the prophets of God. This is the Lord’s university, a temple of learning, a disciple preparation center. When you look in the mirror in the morning before you walk on this campus, say to yourself: “I want to be a disciple of the Savior; and I am going to look like, and act like, and, in fact, be a disciple of the Savior today.” If it is a devotional day, dress in your temple best. On other days remember who you are and wear clothes that are a notch or two up from jeans and T-shirts.” (you can read the whole thing here http://www.byui.edu/Presentations/Transcripts/Devotionals/2006_09_05_Clark.htm
I can’t say I was happy about everything in the beginning, but as I lived the standard, I began to see the benefits in my own life. I won’t tell you exactly what those were for me, as they were mostly personal, but this one I will share. As I have graduated and entered the workforce, I have noticed this one important temporal benefit: I already had my wardrobe that I can wear to work. Most places of business don’t allow overly casual clothing. That hasn’t changed, and isn’t likely to very soon. Wouldn’t it pay to be prepared?
Eliza says:
Dec 7, 2011
So ya it kind of stinks this happened, considering probably like 80% of the jeans they sell to girls are skinny jeans. But HAHAHAHAHAHAHA I agree with Poppy–this is one of the most entertaining conversations I have ever read.
Thom says:
Dec 7, 2011
Why doesn’t BYU-Idaho mandate a school uniform?
Carl says:
Dec 7, 2011
It looks to me like Jack’s first post set the stage for overturning a rule. Occupy Your Jeans!!
Carl says:
Dec 7, 2011
FYI. This article has gone viral. Peculiar people indeed.
Belief Blog’s Morning Speed Read for Wednesday, December 7 « Missionary Lds « Missionary LDS says:
Dec 7, 2011
[...] @RobertGehrke: BYU-Idaho bans skinny jeans as part of honor code. bit.ly/rTZdMf Next up: Nerdy [...]
Mike says:
Dec 7, 2011
Having grown up in a very LDS Home I can see where BYU-I is coming from. However that being said I find this a little stupid to be honest. I know that the honor code is something BYU is known for at all of the campus locations, and that if you don’t want to follow it you don’t have to go to school there, but when do the limitations on student expression stop. When you have a school that claims to be open minded, and welcoming to all people I find it funny that as soon as these people give them money it’s almost like they spit in there face. MAny people who attend BYU are not LDS, and have no desire to be, so why are we shoving our ideals and principals down others throats. This was the main reason I left the church, because for all the pandering of open mindedness it seems that many LDS people are very close minded, and quick to judge the world around them. I see this as a little more proof of that. Now I know people are going to attack me saying that “Well if you don’t like it, don’t come here.” or “LDS standards are just that high for members.” to this I answer: Have you even been to your church as of late? Tight fitting clothing is something that 6 years ago was very big in my ward, and they still are today from what I see when people walk home. So why is this school attempting to save face on a tight clothing issue with banning skinny jeans when I could go to church and see low cut tops, on young girls and older woman, or leggings, or short skirts. I say instead of banning skinny jeans at a school, look in the mirror and do a little self evaluation, maybe step off your alabaster pedestal to get better view at what is the real problem here. Hypocrisy.
Seriously? says:
Dec 7, 2011
If what kind of jeans you wear really has any of you in this big of a meltdown, you are all poised for a lifetime of epic frustration. My suggestion: move back home with mom and dad, flounder in community college for a while, then look around and realize that this is pretty much what the rest of your life will be like, thanks to your unparalleled ability to focus intensely on things that don’t matter (but don’t worry, you will look really good rocking your skinny jeans while working the local bowling alley)
tashauna says:
Dec 7, 2011
Your comment is 100% irrelevant considering there is no other University out there that has banned skinny jeans. Yes, I know it’s shocking there is other options rather then BYU or a community college but it’s true!
spencer says:
Dec 7, 2011
wow lets just say i think it is a little ridiculous that they decided to ban one of the most unflattering pants ever made right after gauchos. Do they think that if someone puts them on its going to automatically cause someone to lust after the person wearing them. i think the rules have already been strict enough and its just going to open up some other stupid trend to come into play. I swear whoever helped make this rule was just looking for some form of attention because they are already getting more attention than “skinny pants” ever did. Just let people be who they are im not saying just let them wear whatever they want but if its not causing a problem wearing them why make them a problem. I would love to know what the final straw was in order to go ahead and ban the oh so terrible and oh so revealing skinnys. I say good day!!!
Finals Season Battle Cry: Reclaim the Library! | Con Games says:
Dec 7, 2011
[...] is a Brigham Young University affiliate, which helps explain why suddenly a student-run publication,The Student Review, reported a new sign "that read simply, 'No skinny jeans.'" Internet curiosity, [...]
Rasta says:
Dec 7, 2011
Pretty soon you will all be wearing berkas’ in Idaho and Provo will still be styl’n
anon says:
Dec 7, 2011
If BYU-Idaho’s reasoning for most of the honor code is to create a professional environment, then I feel like we should be allowed to wear skinny jeans. I will admit that some jeans are too tight, but in order to maintain a good clean look, I think though skinny jeans are necessary. To me Baggy jeans and some flared jeans can make a person look grungy and lazy which is what BYU-I is trying to avoid.
House says:
Dec 7, 2011
Who FREAKIN cares, just a pair of jeans get over yourselves! Thank goodness I don’t attend BYU-I. Drama over jeans, mature. Accept and move on. Skinny jeans are stupid looking anyways.
tora says:
Dec 7, 2011
crazy mormons. so religious with too many rules!
Sarah says:
Dec 7, 2011
Hey Stephanie Grimes. You are an idiot. Don’t make news unless THE UNIVERSITY ITSELF HAS ANNOUNCED IT. Do you call yourself a professional? You certainly cannot with this mistake. The school has already announced that students, NOT THE UNIVERSITY ITSELF, did this and they have taken action on it. They OFFICIALLY announced that this is NOT true.
Hannah says:
Dec 7, 2011
But the school has no policy against these popular pants, BYU-Idaho spokesman Andy Cargal said Wednesday.
“The testing center had chosen to make their own adaptation of the policy,” Cargal said. “The sign was up for about a week. When the university found out, that policy was discontinued.”
The school expects students to dress modestly, he said, but “we leave it up to them to use their own agency to figure out what’s modest and what isn’t.”
Shorts and flip-flops are forbidden, though, he said. “But that’s not about modesty. It’s because we want to promote a more professional, less casual attire.”
emily says:
Dec 7, 2011
follow the rules or get out. go somewhere else where they don’t care about your appearance or well being. BYUI is there to help pull people out of the world and allow them to find themselves spiritually. if you don’t like it leave. the school would be better off without all the complainers who feel like the board isn’t made of men called by god.
Steve says:
Dec 7, 2011
Yale, which is where I transferred from after my mission in attempt to not go less-active again, cares about your well-being as well, so you have no idea what you’re talking about.
Shplaine says:
Dec 7, 2011
No wonder I can feel the spirit on campus! Lol
free the stay at home moms says:
Dec 7, 2011
BYU. IS. NOT. GOD’S. SCHOOL. It is simply a school, ran by the church. With students who are apparently out of touch with reality. This issue is obscuring the fact that God is not going to ban you from heaven from wearing skinny jeans.
Shplaine says:
Dec 8, 2011
nice liberal feminist screen name. Love those in the church
Free th stay at home moms says:
Dec 8, 2011
Earth the Shplaine. Not everyone in the church has the same opinion as you.
love, feminist liberal members
Free Tibet says:
Dec 7, 2011
Bite me Byui. I’m tired of schools that try to nanny fully grown adults.
Shplaine says:
Dec 7, 2011
you’re an adult? You sure cry like a baby.
anonymous says:
Dec 7, 2011
These girls are just trying to attract an eternal companion. Give them a break. Fish need a little bait.
jjj says:
Dec 7, 2011
dont blame skinny jeans, blame the fat girl that showed up in them and ruined it for everyone.. no one is getting mad when a girl can rock a pair of skinnies..
#fatgirlinskinnies says:
Dec 7, 2011
it only makes sense that school would ban skinnies… theres probably not one girl there that could rock em
John says:
Dec 7, 2011
Cultish…
anonymous says:
Dec 7, 2011
What’s so offensive about the human body? We’re all born with one, we’ve all seen one, I don’t see why people get offended over it.
Julie says:
Dec 7, 2011
I encourage you all to look at the actual article along with the schools public response. Skinny jeans are not being banned. Excessively tight pants are, as have been, unaccepted on campus. There has been no new Honor Code change.
The point of the scroll article was to get people talking, and it was successful. People are talking. However I believe bad press for the LDS Church and BYU-Idaho was perhaps not worth getting people to talk about something.
BYU-Idaho continues to be a wonderful University with an Honor Code to help uphold a high standard and reputation. The Honor Code is not a hard thing to abide by, and each student signs it each year they attend agreeing to live by it.
BYU-IDAHO has NOT banned skinny jeans.
Norman M. Ormann says:
Dec 7, 2011
Why don’t they just ban students from the university altogether? Oh wait, that’s right!!! Look why does BYU Idaho have seemingly stricter dress codes than BYU Hawaii and apparently BYU? It not like skinny jeans are vulgar. I personally cannot stand them because they shrink wrap around my knees and death grip my butt cheeks. Also, I’m embarrassed to wear them because they really are made for women. I’ve tried them on and for some reason they always squeeze my plumbing out… in other words I am tempting women (and some men I’m sure of it) who would end up seeing my low hanging fruit. Fellas, honestly I don’t know why you do it, if you wear skinny jeans you are dressing up in drag, because you have to tape n’ tuck to rock them things.
you know what BYU,I ban them. Ban these silly, silly children from this trend, cause it seems like everything is being recycled these days. It is only a matter of years before I ready about how BYU Idaho is banning baggy clothes, a fashion trend I never understood but a look that was definately ghetto.
Dressing up in clothes too big for you because those were the only ones left at the Thrift Store or because those ended up being the hand-me-downs from your older brother.
voice of reason says:
Dec 7, 2011
This “obey the rules or leave” nonsense is obnoxious. Students should have the right to voice their opinion, because sorry, the testing center is not ran by Jesus, neither is the school.
Sorry my tight-on-the-ankle pants make you want to have premarital-sex. If that gets you hot and bothered, maybe you have some bigger issues you need to deal with.
Ford says:
Dec 7, 2011
Official BYUI statement: “Wondering if skinny jeans are allowed on campus? They are. BYU-Idaho’s longstanding dress & grooming standards promote principles of modesty and restrict formfitting clothing, but skinny jeans are not singled out or prohibited. In addition, the Testing Center issue reported in Scroll has been corrected and is no longer in force.”
goingtobed says:
Dec 7, 2011
So now that it has been established that the entire thing was mis reported and blown out of proportion, I wonder how many more posts will show up on this article from people just wanting to blow steam, or show how spiritual or else anti-mormon they are. Let’s all get lives already
John says:
Dec 7, 2011
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=byu-idaho
Melissa says:
Dec 7, 2011
All of these comments are driving me nuts. The honor-code is there for a reason people. It’s because students push the boundaries by wearing WAY too fitted clothing so then it goes to banning all skinny jeans as a whole. If students would just follow the rules in the first place, these “extreme” rules wouldn’t be happening. BYU-I has a spirit there that is different than any other University, including BYU and I believe it’s because of the strict honor code. It promotes a professional, sacred environment. If you disagree with the honor code, then BYU-I is not for you and find another school.
Brian says:
Dec 8, 2011
I am calling you all out. Do what you want. You all can choose for yourselves! I wonder who you think i will be defending when you read this? Does it bother you when i say you can choose for yourself? Or that you can do what you want?
I do, however, wonder how many of you would say what you typed in person? Probably not very many.
crystal says:
Dec 8, 2011
Scarily enough, the bigger concern for me is the last paragraph of the sign. If you attitudes are not inline with what they like you are not a disciple of Christ. BYUi or Ricks College has always had strange ideas about appropriate attire based on their climate. Sorry, but womens fashions are almost never made out of warm enough material to cover the walking in 40 below weather, and a dress doesn’t come close to providing sufficient warmth. However, using an un-liked “attitude” to deny you access to the testing center. That should be of more concern.
Marc says:
Dec 8, 2011
In the end, this is not about fashion, man made rules or even the testing center.
This is about control. Control excersized thru associates, activities, attitudes, even guilt.
I can see the logic of the assorted and constant wealth of words used to reinforce beliefs not defendable by the scientific method. I can also accept the need for absolute control by the older men who have lost all passion for life. We may attribute to them great spirituality, however, I sus pect we are seeing great envy over the loss of the joy of being an active man, participating in his world.
God made us in two genders for a reason, procreation. The human body was designed to attract the opposite sex (to distraction) untill reporduction has occured. This is not sin, this may indeed offend an 85 year old man, but not god himeself.
Clothing is just guilding the lily. God set the standards, who are we to deny his plan?
Party RM says:
Dec 8, 2011
All I know is that all the girls that wear skinny jeans are easy to get into bed. I am a RM and go to BYU-I, and I won’y even ask a girl out that doesn’t wear them. Lets be honest. Some of us are just there to party, and skinny jeans let me know who to part with.
anonymous says:
Dec 8, 2011
LOOOL are you serious?! you think that just because you wear skinny jeans you’re easy? You’re so ignorant it’s sad. Skinny jeans are a fashion that looks good, doesn’t mean you’re easy. i’ve been rockin’ the skinnys for 5 years now and anyone who knows me knows that i’m FAR from easy.
Kaitlin says:
Dec 8, 2011
I think we have a misunderstanding of what “skinny jeans” actually means. I work in retail, and any pair of skinny jeans we sell is exactly like flare or bootcut jeans in every way except for the ankles and calves. What’s immodest about having something be tight around your ankles and calves?
In fact, last I checked, it’s not immodest according to any Mormon standards I’ve ever heard of to expose your ankles and calves by themselves. Temple attending members frequently show off their ankles and calves, and I’ve met a few who wear the skinny cut of jean, tight around these areas. Skinny cuts of pants can be very classy looking with a pair of flats, and they dress up well. I wear them to work all the time, they’re quite professional.
Now, if we’re talking about “jeggings,” which are leggings made of denim material and are tight all over, that’s a whole other issue. For that matter, extremely tight jeans of any cut are not only unflattering but are, perhaps, immodest. Why not just ban tight jeans?
I think the higher ups at BYU-I should have done their homework on some fashion trends before they made this rule. A “skinny” cut of jean means something different than what they think it means. Then again, I am saying this as an active student at the University of Utah (GASSSP!) My opinion may not hold water with most BYU Idaho folks.
LALA says:
Dec 8, 2011
Wear whatever the Lord wants you to wear and SHUT UP
postmycomment says:
Dec 8, 2011
what did the lord tell you to wear LALA?
BYU says skinny jeans not banned–despite what BYU student newspaper says | God Discussion says:
Dec 8, 2011
[...] or not the school bans skinny jeans. According to the Student Review, the BYU newspaper, "Trends come and go, but the skinny on BYU-Idaho’s most recent addition to the honor code [...]
dress code supoorter says:
Dec 8, 2011
I gave up about halfway through the posts, but wanted to chime in on something that may have been overlooked. By attending a school with a dress code, you agree to follow that dress code, even if it changes. Be grateful it’s not a uniform school. Or simply pretend it is, the “uniform” being whatever the dress code is.
My husband has told me before that seeing women dressed immodestly, however that may be, is a major distraction for him, and he’s not the kind of man to purposely “notice” a women’s curves or such. But when it’s flaunted in front of him, he can’t help but notice. That’s the natural man. His job is to turn away and not dwell on it, but it would be better if he wasn’t faced with it in the first place. He dealt with this a lot at grad school. I think it’s completely fine to limit certain styles especially in the testing center where the focus needs to be on the test, not the people taking it. I do agree that jeans that fit snug without being skin tight, and WITH a shirt long enough to cover some of the curves is completely fine, and likely not what they were actually referring to.
jesus christ says:
Dec 8, 2011
why dont mormons come out with a “mormon approved” clothing line that they can sell in walmart stores and targets worldwide. the church loves making money anyway, doesnt it? this would be a good source of revenue. think of a world where all byu, byu idaho, and byu hawaii students can buy clothes in confidence, knowing that they can walk through campus without breaking any rules.
and with all this new money, think about all the anti-gay campaigns the church could endorse. the church could even open anti-homo clinics where gays and lesbians can go to get fixed. that’s what heavenly father would want.
jesus chirst jr. says:
Dec 8, 2011
@LALA adam and eve were naked. we should all be naked.
#whatswrong? says:
Dec 8, 2011
this site is supposed to be where people post their opinions. stop deleting my posts.
Marlee says:
Dec 9, 2011
Take this article down already. This just proves how desperate the Student Review is. Bad reporting and false information is bad for credibility, guys. The student review used to be decent articles, but its trash now. No one on campus likes it.
Lacy says:
Dec 9, 2011
This rule is beyond ridiculous. It’s reasons like this why I decided not to attend BYU and to leave the mormon church. The mormon church attempts to control its members lives. Whether its the temperature of their caffine, what they can wear, or what they can and cannot do, the severe rules and guidelines of the mormon church make it more cult like all the time.
Cathy says:
Dec 9, 2011
I think all BYU students should go back to the original pioneer clothes that did not show a single curve anywhere. Curves are so terribly sinful!
Jebuss Crust says:
Dec 10, 2011
no comment.
Mitchell says:
Dec 10, 2011
Personally, I think the rule is stupid. Let me point out some things:
1. Skinny jeans are not named that because they are ‘skin’ tight. The ‘skinny’ refers to the tapering of the pant. They are tapered from the knee down. ANY REGULAR PAIR OF JEANS–FLARED, BOOTCUT, ETC. HAS POTENTIAL TO BE “IMMODEST”. And that is because they are tight or revealing around OTHER areas.
2. Heaven forbid BYU-I allow anyone to dress fashionably. Skinny jeans can be very classy if worn appropriately. I would rather not look like the stereotypical return sister missionaries. Yeah, yeah, yeah, the church recently changed the rules about sister missionary attire, I know. It’s about time.
3. Skinny jeans should be allowed, but JUST LIKE ANY OTHER PANTS, should be worn with class and appropriate attractiveness. And if some faculty member thinks that they are inappropriate, as any other kind of pant can be as well, then ask that person to change into something else. Simple as that. Let’s do away with the double standards, here.
John says:
Dec 11, 2011
Why is it so necessary that you wear skinny jeans? Just wear some normal pants or a skirt or something. I agree that some skinny jeans are kind of immodest. They show curves and don’t try to lighten that because it can be distracting. It’s not that big of a deal to change what you wear a little; don’t be so worldly.
Monica says:
Dec 11, 2011
I get the whole “be in the world and not of the world” but guess what you still have to live in the world and guess what… some people wear tight jeans, get over it. What happens when you leave the campus to go to the airport or the store and someones wearing tight jeans? I’m not dancing naked on a pole…im wearing jeans that also get tight around my calf? BIG DEAL, I don”t even wear them just because they are not flattering on me, but this rule is completely ridiculous. Let’s focus on what matters
amanda says:
Dec 12, 2011
I reallyyyyy hope BYU doesn’t adopt this. My jeans are considered skinny jeans, but they aren’t tight like jeggings, and I can’t wear bootcut jeans and wear boots! Thus, I would have to get new shoes AND jeans. I am already scared about going there next year, since I am extremely liberal (yup, liberal mormons exist), and disagree with a lot of the doctrine, though I live it nonetheless (aka- gay marriage/abortion/etc.)
Student Newspaper at Brigham Young University-Idaho Sparks Skinny Jeans Debate « College Media Matters says:
Dec 13, 2011
[...] at Brigham Young University-Idaho recently ignited a debate on, of all things, skinny jeans. In an article last week that has spawned hundreds of comments and more than 12,000 Facebook Likes, The Student Review [...]
Peer Review & Skinny Jeans | Wheat and Tares says:
Dec 13, 2011
[...] policy, stating that form-fitting clothing is against the rules. However, as the story about BYU banning skinny jeans gained momentum, the school reversed course and clarified that skinny jeans were acceptable. The [...]
Are People Still Reading This? says:
Dec 13, 2011
Oh my goodness. This has been far too much fun to read, though I must say I am slightly embarrassed that I spent as much time as I have reading it.
Religion fascinates me. I am fascinated by the dichotomy of it: promoting both acceptance and outward exclusion/judgment. I fully respect those who choose to follow their own faith and thus the “rules” or “laws” that come with it. However, I do think it is important for everyone to be able to step back and take a critical look at what it is they are following. I think it is far to easy for members of various religious organizations to lose sight of what it is they are devoting their lives to. I have always felt that if you choose to follow a religion, it should be more important to be aware of your own personal connection to your God or Gods rather than the man-made laws. I admired one girl who posted who said that she would not feel uncomfortable in her jeans if she was in front of her savior – this is exactly what I am talking about. Each person has their own personal relationship with their religion, and I think that no one has a right to judge anyone’s relationship based on what they think it should be. What is right for you, may be different than what is right for someone else. I think it is all so subjective as well as very personal. I also think that if religions were able to separate themselves from these worldly concerns, they might be able to open their minds and hearts and become more accepting and thus closer to their God (at least as far as Christianity is concerned.) There are far more important things to concern yourself with anyway.
Lastly, I may be incorrect with my assumptions here because I am neither a Mormon nor have I ever been to BYU-I. That being said, I do hold a bachelors as well as a masters degree from a state university and a private university (so I know they the two can be very different.) I do have to say that I am concerned that if a university is concerning themselves this much with their dress codes, etc, that their academic curricula might reflect the same sense of control. I absolutely LOVE higher education and if I had all the money in the world I would probably just continue to get degree after degree because I value a good education and consider myself a “life-long-learner”…
… Universities should be teaching critical and divergent thinking. One of the greatest things about higher education is the opportunity to be exposed to so many different ideas and points of view. When you are REALLY exposed to these divergent thoughts and processes, you can really ONLY then come to your own conclusions.
I do hope that this university’s dress code does not reflect it’s academic curricula.
Rachel says:
Dec 14, 2011
IDK, I attended BYU until my husband and I got married and moved across the country, For all the people complaining about the school’s policies, it IS a PRIVATE school, not a state school, so they can make thier polices whatever they want. If skinny jeans, no boys in your apartment, shaving, dressing modestly, no flipflops, no drugs, ect ect honor code, bothers the students so much, then go to the UofU. But when you go to any BYU school, you sign the honor code, and you have religious endorsement meetings (where you church leader tells the school you and god are straight). But its not really a BIG DEAL becuase ITS A PRIVATE SCHOOL! If they wanted to they could say all students had to wear this uniform, and only sell it at their book store or whatever. Their standards, thier school, if you don’t support it, then don’t attend there. that simple
Year in Review: Most Viral Student Media of 2011 - USEFUL DOCUMENT – USEFUL DOCUMENT says:
Dec 22, 2011
[...] Brigham Young University-Idaho lighted a inhabitant discuss on, of all things, spare jeans. In an article that has spawned some-more than 600 comments and 12,000 Facebook Likes, The Student Review focused [...]
Year in Review: Most Viral Student Media of 2011, Part 2 « College Media Matters says:
Dec 23, 2011
[...] at Brigham Young University-Idaho ignited a national debate on, of all things, skinny jeans. In an article that has spawned more than 600 comments and 12,000 Facebook Likes, The Student Review focused on [...]
SOcal says:
Jan 11, 2012
I rock skinnies like no other!!!! I know this girl named Cheyenne that wears skinny jeans frequently
Steven says:
Jan 18, 2012
Why even attend a school that teaches lies to begin with?
Jaz says:
Jan 31, 2012
Fashion will come and go, getting rid of anything form fitting means that you’ll just end up with a vast list of articles of clothing that you can and cannot wear and put people off the school. Personally, I love wearing skinny jeans. I exercise a lot, so it’s a great feeling to show off my hard work with skinny jeans or shorts! And although some may not agree with it, I say, if you’ve got it, flaunt it. c:
But if I’ve got this right, then this is a religious and private school, so they can make up their own rules? Also, as a Brit, I’m not quite sure how schooling and rule-making works in the US.
But anyway, I’m not religious, so don’t fret about correcting me if I’m wrong, but if God has given you great looking legs, I’m sure they wouldn’t mind you showing them off every now and again? But as I said, I’m not a theist, so I may have gotten the wrong end of the stick here.
Chris says:
Mar 14, 2012
I think many people are just being a little immature here. Clothing is clothing. Sure, some people may not consider certain clothing to be a problem, but others might very well consider it a big distraction. This is nothing to complain about. There are plenty of other clothes to wear. Inspired leaders are infact inspired. We get no where by complaining. This is not a big deal.
mimia says:
Mar 20, 2012
I am a faith filled Christian, and I have nothing against skinny jeans in general. But what I do think, is that people that wear them (headed toward a girls)! need to keep in mind that others do pay attention to what they’re wearing. And if the jeans that they are wearing are a disruption to the environment around tthem, they will be told to leave the premises the sad thing, is that it just happens tthat over weight people are noticed more. If you saw a really skinny, model thin girl walk by with skinny jeans, you would think notghing of it.it if a (I’m really not trying to be ride) fat girl comes walking down the street, people are going to say something to her. reallyally sad, and unfair. But its the way the world system is. Twisted and perverted.
Patti says:
Mar 21, 2012
BYU is a wonderful school. Honoring the dress code is part of
the image the college presents to the world. What message was the
student trying to display? Modesty or not?
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